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If you are in broad agreement with me on the need to oppose the horrendous persecution of us True Orthodox Christians in general and to support the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church in its peaceful struggle against persecution and for its peaceful continued resistence and existence as outlined below, in this particular instance, then please e-mail your support to hnotoc.portland@gmail.com , for them to pass on to someone else who agrees, and copy me in at: adrianwhyattsubscricoes1@gmail.com. In this way, supplemented by prayer and other reasonable, peaceful actions, let us hope we can finally get the persecutions including murders, martyrdom and genocide, of True Orthodox Christians going on in many different countries and at many different times, since 1916, the biggest and longest martyrdom in history, to stop. See this recording of a livestream, with a transcript below from a True Orthodox Christian viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA_tB1EDTXg&t=1097s
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Appellate Court Initiates Liquidation, Deregistration of Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria
The Dormition of the Most Holy Theotokos Cathedral of the Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria in Sofia (Source: https://bulgarian-orthodox-church.org)
Sofia,
10.10.2025 19:12
(BTA)
A three-judge panel of the Sofia Appellate Court (SAC) on Friday rendered a final judgment initiating liquidation and deregistration proceedings for the Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria (OCOCB), the Court said on its website on Friday.
Acting on an interlocutory appeal lodged by the Sofia City Prosecution Office in July 2025, the SAC set aside a refusal by the Sofia City Court (SCC) to terminate the OCOCB's registration.
In the reasons to its judgment, the SAC argues that revisions to the Religious Denominations Act, adopted after OCOCB's registration, provide that the designation of a denomination may not breach public policy and morals and be misleading and may not contain the word "Orthodox" or similar words with the same meaning. The Transitional and Final Provisions to the amending law give registered religious denominations and applicants in pending proceedings for original registration two months to modify their designations and statutes.
Registered religious denominations, which fail to fulfil this obligation and are under no pending proceedings for entry of changes arising from its fulfilment, are dissolved. After the dissolution of the denomination, liquidation and deregistration proceedings are initiated on a motion by the Religious Denominations Directorate at the Council of Ministers or by a prosecutor.
Among other things, the prosecution office pointed out in its appeal that the OCOCB did not meet the deadline for compliance and failed to modify its statute accordingly.
The SAC states that the designation of the religious denomination "Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria" indisputably falls within the scope of this legal provision to the extent that it contains the word "Orthodox".
Decades-long legal battle
The Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria traces its beginnings to 1968, when the Bulgarian Orthodox Church decided to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Revised Julian Calendar. Some of the clergy and adherents of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church disagreed with the abandonment of the Julian Calendar. There were also divergences over other doctrinal and canonical points, as well as with respect to the degree of autonomy of the church vis-a-vis the communist regime. As a result, the "Old Calendarists", mostly centred on a convent in Knyazhevo (on the outskirts of Sofia) disaffiliated themselves from the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, which in turn disavowed them.
In 1993 the OCOCB applied for registration to the Religious Denominations Directorate. The request was left without a formal reply. By 2013 that church had 24 priests and about 2,000 adherents. In the absence of legal personality, it could not erect or own places of worship and was unable to receive donations, formally employ its clergy, or carry on business related to its religious practices.
In February 2012, the SCC refused to register the OCOCB, holding that the applicant church could not have a name identical to that of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church or use its assets, and it was beyond doubt that its name was identical.
The OCOCB appealed that refusal of registration, submitting that the Religious Denominations Act prohibited the simultaneous registration of religious denominations with truly identical names but did not bar the registration of more than one religious community from the same denomination and arguing that many Evangelical, Baptist and other churches from one and the same denomination had already been registered. The SAC upheld that refusal on April 23, 2012. In a final ruling of March 29, 2013, the Supreme Court of Cassation refused to admit the appeal for examination.
The OCOCB then applied to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) which, by a judgment dated April 20, 2021, held that the right of the applicant church's adherents to freedom of religion and to an effective remedy had been violated. The ECtHR awarded the applicant EUR 20,180 in pecuniary and non-pecuniary damages and costs and expenses.
In November 2022, the SCC again refused an application for registration of the OCOCB, and in February 2023 the SAC left that refusal standing.
Acting on a cassation appeal against the intermediate-appellate-review judgment, the Supreme Court of Cassation held on December 16, 2024 that the expression "Old Calendar" included in the designation is sufficiently distinctive of the newly established religious institution and also expresses the differences of the religious community with respect to the religious feasts. The Supreme Court argued in its judgment that a registration of the cassation appellant could not possibly affect any rights of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church - Bulgarian Patriarchate and its adherents. "The requested registration is for a small religious community which has existed for 30 years and does not lay any claims to the internal organization and the assets of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church - Bulgarian Patriarchate," the Court determined, effecting the entry of a religious institution named "Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria" into the Register of Religious Denominations with the SCC.
The Bulgarian Orthodox Church and the executive and legislative branches of government deplored that judgment, as a result of which in January 2025 Parliament amended the Religious Denominations Act, defining the Bulgarian Orthodox Church - Bulgarian Patriarchate as "the sole exponent of Eastern Orthodox Christianity" and prohibiting the existing or future registration of any other religious denomination having the word "Orthodox" or similar words as part of its designation. The law went into force on February 4, 2025.
Re: URGENT INFORMATIONAL UPDATE, pertinent to some information conveyed in amendments to Rejoin EU Party Conference Motions for Saturday 28-9-11-10-2025-7534 Update on Persecution of True Orthodox Christians – following up on my genocide denunciation of some months ago, in this matter, of the Bulgarian President and Government for genocide to the Public Prosecutor in Coimbra, Portugal where I live. No reply yet received. Please note that, as stated, I would not be attending the online conference, because I will not join any party that charges minimum membership fees, as a matter of principle, because this excludes the poorest in society, even if that is not the intention. And because many organisations, including the only true church, have always been free with people giving what they can manage. This has worked for thousands of years, back to Old Testament times.So, I write in ignorance of what happened at the conference. I communicated all this in writing concerning the amendments.
The Bulgarian Appellate Court, as I learnt on Monday 13th October 2025 when I saw a Bulgarian News Agency press release has ordered the liquidation of the assets of the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church in defiance of a European Court of Human Rights Judgment instructing them to register the Church under that name, which noone else uses, and not to require them to register under any other name.
The Church was banned by the Communists in 1968 for defying their orders, unlike the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, to switch from the Patristic (aka Julian or Old) Calendar which they have always used, to the “New Calendar”. It applied to register with the authorities under its name, Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church, in 1993. This has been refused ever since.
I am a True Orthodox Christian layman under a Synod not in communion with the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church. Nevertheless, we must recognise the terrible persecution, which those of us who identify as True Orthodox Christian, Genuine Orthodox Christian, or similar, such as Old Calendar Orthodox, have undergone since 1916 in many countries, gradually spreading, and which is alluded to in the context of Bulgaria in this letter by a bishop in a Synod which is currently in communion with the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church, and which needs to be read before proceeding to the rest of this document:
I have come across the following letter on one of many Orthodox Christian Telegram channels on the internet.:
Dear Clergy, Faithful, and Friends,
Εὐλογεῖτε! May God bless you!
Last Friday, October 10, the Bulgarian Appellate Court reached a decision (also reported here) to “deregister and liquidate” the Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria, under the oversight of His Eminence, Metropolitan Fotiy of Triaditsa, as a response to its supposed threat to “national security,” “sovereignty,” “public order,” and “morality”—outrageous and incendiary charges made by politicians, ecclesiastical representatives of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, and Patriarch Daniil of Bulgaria himself.
The registration of the Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria (“OCOCB”), with which the Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece maintains full ecclesiastical relations as a Sister Church, was itself the outcome of twelve years of legal struggle, complicated by seemingly endless bureaucratic roadblocks, hurdles, and delays, obviously sponsored by those sympathetic to the (New Calendar) Bulgarian Patriarchate or, perhaps, simply hostile toward religion in general.
The reversal of the registration of the OCOCB, following special Parliamentary acts prompted by protests from the official Bulgarian Orthodox Church and its supporters, constitutes a denial of the basic constitutional rights of the OCOCB, as judged by no less than the European Court of Human Rights and by the Supreme Court of Cassation of Bulgaria itself! Please see the appended statement from the legal counsel of the OCOCB for a more precise explanation of the case.
The OCOCB separated from the state-sanctioned Bulgarian Orthodox Church on account of the latter’s involvement in irresponsible syncretistic ecumenism and a concomitant abandonment of the Orthodox Church’s traditional festal (Julian) Calendar with the adoption of the New (Gregorian) Calendar in 1968. It was convinced that the innovating Bulgarian Orthodox Church was losing the “salt” of its Orthodox confession by these moves, and present circumstances vindicate that conviction: instead of Christian love, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church heaps slander and vilification on the OCOCB; rather than respect the constitutionally-guaranteed religious and minority rights of the OCOCB, the Bulgarian Orthodox Church seeks its extermination.
At the end of last Saturday evening’s Vigil Service and one day after the Appellate Court’s verdict, Metropolitan Fotiy informed his faithful of this disappointing and momentous decision. With poise, courage, and yet an obvious heaviness of heart, he consoled his faithful, counseling them to maintain their Christian composure and, above all, not to succumb to the temptation to respond to their accusers in kind. Accusations, condemnations, anger, bitterness, and hatred were all absolutely unacceptable responses, His Eminence told his flock. Instead, they must follow their Lord by loving, blessing, and praying for all, including their would-be enemies. His Eminence’s tone and demeanor conveyed his message as convincingly as his words themselves.
Let the objective and discerning viewers of this contest judge for themselves who are the lambs and who are the wolves.
I ask our faithful to pray for our Bulgarian brethren, that the Lord will strengthen them for their contest, enlighten their legal counsel, and, if at all possible, provide them with a passage through this trial, that they may continue their labors for the preservation of Orthodoxy, the salvation of their souls, and the glory of God.
I also ask those who have useful contacts with government officials to inform them of this matter, asking them to express their concern to the State Department, the Bulgarian Embassy in Washington (copied in this email), and relevant watchdog agencies.
Your Humble Servant,
† Bishop Auxentios of Etna and Portland
[Most proximate contact details that I am able to come up with are:
Holy Nativity of the Theotokos Orthodox Cathedral
4550 NE 105th Ave,
Portland, Oregon, 97220-3350
(503) 262-6643
hnotoc.portland@gmail.com]
Here is some more general background to the persecution.
Dear RejoinEU Party,
I highlighted in one of my amendments, which was posted on the agenda for the RejoinEU Online Party Conference of Saturday 10th October 2025 (global civil calendar) the issue of religious freedom and persecution, mentioning by name True Orthodox Christians as an example of a persecuted group, not least because I had earlier forwarded an e-mail I received concerning the failure of the Bulgarian courts to comply with a superior decision to register the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church. This is not, to remind people, a one-off local dispute confined to one country.
It is in fact part of the wholly unprovoked and unwarranted and totally unjustifiable discrimination, persecution, murder and martyrdom, and genocide of us entirely peaceful True Orthodox Christians (as we traditionalists have come to be known, and have tended to call ourselves), which has been going on in many places since it first started in 1916, and which continues to this day, rivalling the iconoclasm in length, and surpassing by far in terms of numbers and its geographical extent, EVERY OTHER PERSECUTION AND MARTYRDOM OF CHRISTIANS IN THE WHOLE OF HISTORY.
Genocide constitutes what is known as a “public crime” here in Portugal. Which means that it is a crime which potentially carries a prison sentence. And, not to report a public crime itself constitutes a public crime. That is why I have reported the President and Government of Bulgaria to the local public prosecutor here previously for genocide against us True Orthodox Christians (of Bulgaria, in this instance). Unlike in my dealings with them on more mundane matters, I have yet to receive any kind of a response. The same applies to previous, more general reporting via Twitter (now X). No matter how high up it is reported (including to the UN) or how local. I have done what I reasonably can, and some.
This persecution of us Orthodox traditionalists, who have come to be known (in common with some other Orthodox traditionalists in other times when they were being persecuted going back at least as far as the 7th century AD, and including St. Maximos the Confessor, opponent of the Monothelite heresy) as True Orthodox Christians as a general term, started in Romania in 1916 under the Central Powers occupation of two-thirds of Romania (dominated by the Germans, when the German Governor ordered all churches to celebrate Christmas 1916 on the Gregorian calendar).
It spread in subsequent years to Russia, though the calendar change was suspended and then withdrawn there, through to Finland, which disallowed anything but the full Gregorian calendar in 1918, and then to Greece, Cyprus, the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, and to Romania in the 1920s, this time without German occupation.
Those who wished to keep to the traditional calendar were arrested, beaten, tortured and sometimes murdered, with their properties being seized, churches stormed if they tried to celebrate. This went on through the Second World War and into the cold war, East and West, and has continued after the fall of communism, with traditionalists having their properties arbitrarily seized in many countries, and being subject to lawfare in many countries too. This continues to go on, as far afield as Australia.
And both the Israeli Government and the Palestinian Authority have seized all True Orthodox Christian properties since the end of the cold war, giving title to local and foreign World Orthodox Churches (member churches of the “World Council of Churches” – all of whom co-worship with non-Orthodox, something which True Orthodox Churches refuse to do, as Holy Tradition and the canons prohibit us from doing so. We are happy, though, for anyone to attend our churches, though only members are eligible for Holy Communion).
For those who wish to explore the details of the global persecution further, then a good place to start is by downloading for free the works (all in British English) of Vladimir Moss on “the New Calendar” and the “Calendar Question”, as well as watching the Youtube livestream playback detailed here below.
Comment on a True Orthodox Christian Youtube channel, NFTU, which specialises in reporting about True Orthodox Christian matters, discussions and apologetics, including debates there and elsewhere with people holding different beliefs in an effort to try to enlighten people. This comment was made in response to a comment I made. UOC-MP is the Orthodox Church of the Ukraine – Moscow Patriarchate. The MP has been entirely subservient to Soviet, and later Russian Federation dictatorial power since the 1920s, making it now entirely subservient to Putin. BOCC is the Bulgarian Old Calendar Orthodox Church:
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know what that means. I don't know if you mean uploaded because it's live. Um but anyway, uh big s may God bless you.
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Name the father, son, and the holy spirit. So let's get started, right? And uh let's see here. Uh got some bad news
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today globally. Um apparently this is a thing that when did this actually
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happen? It looks like Okay, so that was two days ago.
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uh and uh it's bad news in Bulgaria. So, let's put that on the screen. Give me just a sec
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and I'll read the whole article
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and put it up here. Uh yeah, the appellet court in Bulgaria initiates
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liquidation and dregistration of uh Old Calendar Orthodox Church of Bulgaria,
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which is also known as the True Orthodox Church of Bulgaria. Um, apparently this is been a quite a
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long process. It says here a three judge panel of the Sophia appellet court on
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Saturday rendered a final judgment against liquidation and initiating liquidation and dregistration proceedings for the old calendar
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Orthodox Church of Bulgaria OCB. The court said on its website Friday. Uh
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there you could see the uh the cathedral there in Sophia of the True Orthodox
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of uh Bulgaria. Uh it says acting on an interlocuery appeal lodged by the Sophia
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city pro prosecution office in July 2025 the SACE set aside a refusal by the
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Sophia uh city court to terminate uh the
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OCOBB's registration. Um so basically um they're going to they're
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judging this basically because they're saying that they have the same name. It says in the reasons to its judgment, the
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SACE argues that the revisions to the religious denomination act adopted after
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OCOCB's registration provide that the designation of a denomination may not breach public policy and morals and may
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be misleading and may not contain the word orthodox or similar words with the same meaning. Uh so this has actually
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been going on for about uh probably about 12 years. uh they originally
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applied um for the religious uh denominations directorate in 1993. That
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was left without a formal reply. By 2013 they had uh 24 priests and 2,000
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adherence minimum. Um and so they continued to operate as
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normal but without a legal framework. um because of the new changes to the uh
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current law, they um they applied to the European Court of Human Rights, which actually judged in their favor. Um and
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so after this, it would appear that um the, you know, the SEC continued
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uh to refuse to register them and effectively is now threatening to
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liquidate their parishes. Um so this is actually awful. Uh this is
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um this came in on Friday. This is shameful news. Uh so it looks like of
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course you know while the new calendarists are probably quite happy about this development um I think
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regular people shouldn't be. And that's just that's my feeling. Um so let's take
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a look here. And uh oh we got a question. Daniel York says, "I'm just wondering, do you think now that
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Hassan's reputation is finally destroyed, if it happens, he will probably be replaced by another person
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who will gladly take his position?" Um, Hassan's reput I'm the only Hassan I can
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think of in recent memory of any knowledge is probably like Hassan or something. And to my he's not a
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government guy. So, what what are we talking about here? Uh, Orthopirate with a member chat. As you know, if you have
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if you are a member, you can get your comments on the screen in full. Father bless. May God bless you in the name of
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the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. So, um, yeah. So, I'm not
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sure which Hassan we're talking about. So, if if we're talking about the the stream Yeah. If we're talking about the
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streaming guy, I mean, you know, he deserves what he gets for what he did to his dog. And uh you know there's an
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endless stream of left-wing YouTubers all looking to jump in and they usually
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have some massive moral failing. Um before Hassan, it was Destiny until uh
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he was just revealed to be just in total and complete degenerate who wants to kill Americans. Now they've moved to
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Hassan and of course this guy beats his dog and stuff and so you know or electrocutes his dog and so stuff
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like that. I would say that uh yeah, Ortho Pirates says Hassan is being accused of shocking his dog. Yeah, I
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believe he shocked it. Uh I believe and that was shameful and what a horrible
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person. Uh yeah, he says Taylor Hog says Hassan the communist heart. Okay, I see we're we want to talk about Hassan
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today. I I guess um uh you know that's fine. I I think I don't know if I I
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should put that on Twitter or something or if I should put this on X so people who are confused about what we're
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talking about with the dog. I guess I I will make it relevant. Uh give me just a
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moment. Let me see if I can find
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Let's see here.
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Oh, just G just giving the context. Yeah. No, I think that's fair. Well, it's I think that it's uh it's good to
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give the context. Uh it's not Okay. It's not relevant. All right. Because I was about to go look for the the video of
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the of you know the dog being shocked and then some people made AI videos of
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like the dog shocking him back. But yeah, okay. That's that's true. It's not it's probably not relevant. Uh what is
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relevant is this uh absolutely horrendous news. Um uh this is uh it's
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been going on for about a decade, but uh the court seems very much intent on uh
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making sure that um making sure that uh you know the true Orthodox get
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liquidated there. I don't think it's going to work. State persecution generally doesn't. Um but it's it's a
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bit sad kind of uh kind of tragic to even try. Uh, so you know, um, let me
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see here and just repost that.
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Okay. Yep. I'm just, uh, putting this out there. Um, yeah, no need, not
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related to Orthodox News says, "MC Chile." Okay. So, I'm not going to put that up there. Uh, there is a poll. Um,
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I am wondering if I'm going to start doing these uh more often during the week. Um, should I make one of them like
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uh should I make them members only after the stream like the weekday streams? Like in other words, like you know,
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because a lot of people watch this live and so my point is if you're not a live watcher, I was thinking give more value
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to members cuz I really want to do that yet. Sad day for Bulgarian Orthodoxy. 100% agree. Uh but uh hopefully they'll
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get through it. They've fought through lots of different things uh since the 1960s. So, you know, because uh the True
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Orthodox Church of Bulgaria was founded in ' 68. So, let me see here.
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Okay. If you're wondering what that weird sound is, apparently the dog has gotten
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her hands on what appears to be the top of a spray can.
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Uh yeah, Big Sosa says, "So, wait, are the true Orthodox not recognized legally by the Bulgarian government?" I'm going
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to include a link to this, but yeah, that's basically what they're trying to do. They're dregistering them effectively and uh trying to liquidate
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them. So, when people say, "Oh, true in the aren't really aren't really like um
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they're not really being persecuted. They're cla they're complaining and stuff." Oh, Unseen Warfare is here. Welcome. Hold on one moment. Welcome
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Unseen. You're blessing father Bened
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Holy Spirit. Um okay. So I have put that uh in a link uh I will put that on the um the extreme
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as well if you want to see the article itself. Um it's pretty sad but when you
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hear people saying okay and Denise with a member chat sends praying hands. Um
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okay an MC Chile says uh I will leave the screams up unless you believe there's some benefit to making them private. Yeah. Okay. Well I mean I'll
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I'll look at the poll. My guess is it's probably going to feel similar. Uh so yeah this uh article is there uh father
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bonafice with a member chat. Benedict Benadish father um and uh so yeah this
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is uh crazy times happening now. Uh so let's see here. Uh yeah John Mc says the
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use of the word liquidate especially in Eastern Europe has a sinister overturn. It absolutely does but that's what
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they're doing and that's the word they're using. I mean that's the legal term they're gonna do and liquidation.
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I remember when uh initially Subden had posted an article on that and uh you
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know it's just it's just legal jargon to deal with an enemy or something. That's what I out of it. It was really crazy.
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That's what Yeah, exactly. Uh you know basically it's a let's see uh Big Sosa
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says do they see them as sort of being a counterfeit of the world orthodoxy? Well, that's really what it comes down
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to is it's all branding uh with these people. And so, you know, of course,
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their attitude is um that that is uh offering a counterfeit uh Christianity.
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Well, we would argue that the new calendarists are offering a counter counterfeit Christianity. Um but that's
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uh yeah that's the crux of the problem uh is that when we're talking about this
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level of uh malevolence I mean the old calendar Bulgarian church uh was in
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communion with the roore for years uh they're in communion with the roore agafangle now there's there's no logical
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reason to do this except the state is playing a preference and so uh that's
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that's shameful and uh we should call it out and when people say oh pers
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persecution doesn't really happen in Detroit. Send them this article. Tell them, okay, ask them what what this
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means and they won't have an explanation or they'll switch on and say, "Oh, well, yeah, you deserve it." Well, now at that
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point, you've you've accepted kind of your uh you've accepted your role uh as
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the spiritual children of those who persecuted the new martyrs. Um, and I
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didn't always think that way. I used to think maybe people were more well-meaning than that, but I've I've
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seen more things even now uh that indicate that uh yeah, a lot of people really do feel that way.
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Archbishop Berky's got a article called three stages of apostasy and he and he
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makes a statement. He says outward officialness doesn't always equal, you know, truth that it it could it could be
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inward falsity and Satan uses that to lead people astray. And I think that's a perfect
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example of that. I agree. Yeah, definitely. I think uh Archbishop of Blessed Memory is spot on,
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right? Um on that one. Uh let me see here. Um so that was the biggest news that I just
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heard uh I just got today and that's uh two days ago. So this is pretty shameful.
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Um but this is this is how world orthodoxy acts. They use they use the state as a weapon. Uh this has happened
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in Russia. uh many of the true Orthodox uh churches and many historical Russian churches
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that the true Orthodox volunteered to take care of uh were taken away and not to make new Moscow Patrick parishes.
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Sometimes it was just to just out of spite just close it down. Uh the church
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that I used to attend when I was in Russia uh was one of those churches. It went from when I saw you know hundreds
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of believers and happy people joyously at liturgy and um you know chanting and
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everything and then to just see it you know I I moved back to America by then but then to learn it was just closed
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down and turn into basically a tourist site with business hours uh is uh
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horrifying but that's that's the reality we live in. Uh, Orthodox Traditionist
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Publications has got here just in time. Uh, great. Welcome. Uh, Big Sos, I've
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been more curious recently on the history of how politics affect the presence of the church within the state's borders, such as how
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monophysites are considered quote unquote orthodox in some nations. I think the only nation that would be
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would probably be I guess well in those countries, remember that we're talking and I assume we're talking about Egypt.
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We're talking about um Ethiopia, uh Aratraa if you want to count that.
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We're talking about um uh Armenia, and we're talking about uh like Iran.
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Well, Iran's within historians, but yeah. Uh it's pretty sad. Pretty sad. Um
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but yeah, it's a some of it's national politics and uh you know, there's a lot that's gone on, but uh we're part of
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that in the end. That is something that we have to deal with. Um whether you're
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in Greece, you're in Russia, uh how true orthodox continue to exist and continue
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to proclaim the faith will be affected by how the government sees you. Uh you know, I remember when I think it was, I
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want to say like 10 years ago, there was a point where um the Russian government basically said anyone who's not part of
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the Moscow patriarchet should be considered a terrorist. Um that was
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crazy. Yeah. And that was some crazy times there. And uh that caused a lot of
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complaints etc. And eventually uh they from what I understand they scaled it back considerably.
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Um let me see here. Uh Luke Blazovich says, "Why are Pharisees so deceptive?"
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Um oh because they're Pharisees.
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Father the devil, I think, you know. Yeah, exactly. What does the What does the devil mean? you know, Diablo is a
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slanderer. Um, OTP says, "I just started writing my next book on the Antiocian
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Patriarch and the Monophysites." Oh, that's gonna that's going to be a stinger. I bet you that one uh that'll
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that'll definitely be a shocker. Um, so looking forward to that. All right, so
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let us remove this and uh let's see here.
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Um, okay. So, we've been uh on now for, you know, about 15 minutes. And I will
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uh first off say that um again, it is our live Q&A session. So, if you want to jump on the stream or ask ask a question
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or make a comment, just click the link in the top of the chat. Um okay. So, uh
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also, I'm sure that a lot of people are concerned and wondering. Um I did
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mention that we got the car back on, uh Thursday's stream. And so, uh, now we just have the massive
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debt to deal with. Uh, a lot of, uh, people sent support. Uh, so I'm actually
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going to put this on as, um, maybe I should put this on as like a separate thing. Give me a second. I think I will
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actually. Um, because I'm going to just put
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Okay, one second. Print zero. So,
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um, save that. And so, right now, I'm going to put the regular goal at, uh,
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500. Our current, we have we're at zero because we just started 15 minutes ago. But I'm also going to create a new
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banner. And I'm going to just add that. And this is where we are now. Basically, uh it
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was about $3,400. After I had put together a lot of the
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money that was donated, uh with a lot of kindness, it went over a,000, I think on Tuesday. Uh right now, we have uh $900
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towards the goal. So, the car goal is currently 2500. And basically, our goal
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is to pay that off within 90 days or we'll start seeing psychotic interest rates, which will then be horrifying.
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GIS and go. Uh just look in the the description box. Give me one second. That reminds me of something else and I
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see a new comment. Uh let's see. Yeah, we're going to uh OTV says yeah,
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we're going to look at what they say about us. Absolutely. Um, and black white sent a unorthodox cross. Very
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nice. And let's continue. Um, I do have, if I'm not mistaken too, with the monophysites and, uh, these types,
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historically they've done things like this, like, you know, lobby to get the, you know, the officials to be on their
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side. And sometimes they would send the Orthodox like ban them from whatever kingdom they were in and put them on the
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outskirts somewhere, you know, and then that was sometimes what they did. Hold
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on. Um, let me see here.
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Yeah, that was something that was something that was done, but it was usually towards heretics. And this is where we were in a unique uh period
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where a lot of the state apparati uh are focused on protecting the
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heretics. Now that's not always true. Uh like for example, I know that in Greece there have been movements like to um
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switch the uh recognized church as the true Orthodox Church um of Greece. So
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there's there's still in this ugly democratic process some good possibility
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that um there's ways to help fix it and to see what they can do to improve it, right?
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That's the whole reason why SVG minnow is still kind of all right because they've got people, you know.
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Oh yeah, they have massive they have support from the uh supporters group of
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PA which is the largest uh soccer club in Greece. Uh they hold banners for
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Esfig MMENU during the games. Um Esfig Menu enjoys wide widespread Greek
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support. So it's not as easy for the government to go in and do something to them. Uh so that's you know granted they
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did block the road so that's going to make it harder but you know they you know they're troopers.
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Um and so they will find a way to survive God willing. Uh and that's uh
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you know that's where I think uh that is. And then you know in Russia there's
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it's still not uh the best situation to be true orthodox. Um in Western Europe
35:31
and America there's it's it's irrelevant. They they you know basically
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uh it's the question of who has the connections with what and um you know it's uh just doing doing church better.
35:46
So, I was reading an old article was about Rorowak and the Moscow patriarchy kind
35:51
of attacking them and stealing property and doing all types of Yeah, and they're still trying to do
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that. Yeah, but I think they they've taken as much as I think they can get for now. Um
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crazy. And then uh let me think here. But yeah, in like Western Europe and America, like
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the the door is open. Like this is honestly like a it's like a game of Aello. you could just flip the pieces.
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Um, and then it's just a matter of who's in charge. Now, like right now, things are looking really great for Metropolitan Demetrius. Archbishop Luke
36:23
of Jordanville basically just said, uh, you know, it's probably better to be under him than to be under the Greek
36:28
arch dasis. Like, there are people who will listen to that and may actually take action on that. So, one thing to
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keep in mind is that yeah, any this situation could turn at any time in the US. Bishop seems to uh consistently say
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good things about, you know, true Orthodox from what I've heard, you know, and it their people don't know how to
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react to that, you know, like they're like, "What do you mean?" Like, yo, he's the only one left that remembers them that, you know, when they
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were in communion, the rest of them that remember it don't want to remember it and they're hoping to bury his memory.
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Um, sure. Yeah. So, uh, and then, uh, in Indonesia, the official Orthodox church
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is true Orthodox. It's actually, you know, part of the GOC clinical. So, the world is a very different place. So, to
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see this the this uh this appellet court try to do this is uh kind of insane.
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Like this is like really so 1990s uh behavior. It's it's actually terrible.
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Uh let me see here. Give me just a moment. Stop that screen and then uh
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let's see. So, again uh it is our live Q&A session. So, if anyone wants to jump
37:39
on the stream uh to ask a question or make a comment, just click the link in the top of the chat. If you want to
37:45
issue a debate challenge, if you want to challenge uh you know, orthodoxy or tell
37:50
us why we're wrong, that's the beauty of this is that um we're actually getting like really uh
37:57
good viewer counts on these on these new shows, especially with X. Um, and you
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would expect that these guys who talk so much smack would actually show up, but they never do, which is a constant
38:10
source of joy and amusement for me. Uh, so let's see, what do we got here in the comments?
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They like spaces where that, you know, information can't be shared to refute them. You know, that's what it seems
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like to me. Yeah, they're they're they're cowards. We know. and we can call them out as cowards right here on this uh this
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lovely uh program and on this lovely platform. Momento Mori asks, "Father, who said about switching under
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Metropolitan Demetrius rather than being under the EP? Was it a World Orthodox person?" Yeah, it's it's um Archbishop
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Luke of Jordanville um who uh has actually blessed people to
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leave and go to uh the GOC uh clinical. So yeah, that's actually a real thing.
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And I'm sure that the rest of the real core MP Senate are like, "Ah, we just wish he would shut up and stop talking
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already." And, you know, etc. They're just banking on um banking on the
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historical eraser taking place uh in time, but it doesn't seem to be working
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out that way as more and more people keep showing interest. Um we we got to
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do something. Uh so that is kind of uh let me see here
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kind of uh what I have so far. Um and how are you doing uh today on scene?
39:29
Have you are you working on any uh any video series or anything? Uh well I was supposed to I have like
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all the information gathered and I just I keep pushing it back because uh I don't know the last one I did I felt
39:42
good about it and I want to you know kind of one up what I did last time or something. That's my thought behind it.
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So, yeah. Or or go ahead. No, go ahead.
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Oh, I was going to say Orthodox Tradition Publication says, "How is the reading of the letters going for you?"
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God willing, I will actually read them this week. Um, it's just been a really,
40:07
really awful week. Um, as you can probably guess. Uh but in
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any case, I'm definitely going to I'm pretty much finished with the 1620 book. Um finally, and I'll finally get to the
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letters, God willing, this week. Um Oh, yeah. That book that book looks uh I
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I think you're talking about Yeah, he's referring to this book, right? Um that is
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I knew I was forgetting something. I need to get get a copy of this. I forgot about it. It's a in their own
40:41
words uh the private letters of St. Ferrett of New York and Bishop Gregory Grae. It is uh available on the Orthodox
40:50
traditionalist website for sale. Uh and I I haven't read it yet, but I assume I'm going to highly recommend it because
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I'm a very big fan of both the writings of St. Fileret and the writings of Bishop Gregory Grae. uh all of which
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have um characteristic zeal for orthodoxy and um erudition in the past
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and in the knowledge of the uh of the uh the church's history and tradition. Um
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Orthodox Traditionalist Publications says, "I'll send you the service and the new FSB KGB book when they come out next
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week." All right. Well, thank you. I'm looking forward to it. I still have to I have books to review that I am getting
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to. So, especially with Bishop Gregory Grae, like that that stuff is um like much
41:37
needed context. Um I know just like skimming through that type of stuff, you know, uh a lot of the claims that the
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World Orthodox make, he refuts him. And yeah, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Bishop Gregory Grae like St. Ver's right-hand
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man in Roor? Uh he was the se he was the secretary of the senate uh for a while
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until uh the early 80s when they attempted to um imple implicate his son
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in a corruption scandal in the holy land. All right. Yeah. And that uh led to him going I believe
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to his son going to the Greeks and u bishop Gregory kind of taking uh more of
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a hard line towards um the free Russian church that was uh forming which would eventually become like Roak and Arttok
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etc. Um so he actually if I remember correctly uh went and celebrated with
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Metropolitan Valentine shortly before his death. Um sounds repose. Uh let me
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see here. Uh also if anyone can link in the cafe and athus to St. Fer at the new
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confessor if anyone has one in English. Um yeah I don't even have one. Uh I I'm
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just using the general I would just use a general manan for now but uh unfortunately one should be written. Oh
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wait OTP says momento. I know someone working on that now. That would be really handy. Um I think um definitely
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because I I would want one. Um why do I feel like I've seen that around or something though?
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There have been there are some acret but I have never seen one in English.
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I've seen a few of them in Russian, right? Or Sloanic, I should say. And uh I'll check around. I might have I might
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have something. I don't know, but I'm not going to promise it. I I don't remember it right off, but
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God willing. God will. Yeah, it OTP says it exists in Russian Slovak. Yeah, it
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does. I' I've seen that. Um but uh let me see here what else we've
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got going on. Um, so basically, uh, as always, we're, uh,
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we're going into the 30th minute of the first hour. And just to remind, uh, folks, uh, I will say this, uh,
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currently I'm setting up the goal as 500. We're at zero so far. Um, and
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again, uh, the car goal at this point is, um, 2500. We're currently at 900,
44:03
which I will be putting into payments to these Lone Sharks. uh God willing, tomorrow or the next day. Uh so that's
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where we are and we're continuing on. You mentioned Destiny earlier. You know,
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someone sent me some um information that like his people were at the in Utah
44:23
during the whole Kirk thing and uh I don't know like there were some connections made that maybe the person
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that they've got a hold of was a part of their whole strand. I don't know. You
44:36
mean you mean the murder of Charlie Kirk? Yes. Yeah. Right. Wow. That would actually be uh that
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would actually be awful. I mean, at this point, we have to accept that even though we're like pointing to these
44:49
people as streamer law cows, I mean, they are organizing effectively as
44:54
violent insurgent communists. They have they've got the ideology and they have the weapons. So, at that point, I I I
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don't I take them a little bit seriously. I do too. And uh there's such a thing as
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like stochastic terrorism and uh oh tech that on us first
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where it's like you know you're you're pushing a p you know an ideology to
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where the general population there's going to be a percentage of people who might react to this extreme you know
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these extreme political takes and end up doing something crazy because they're insane you know so
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Oh thank you I just hold just got a donation. Thank you so much.
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Uh it starts here with uh today we we start with uh with D
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and uh that was for $5. So thank you so much for helping keep the lights on and
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helping you know save the you know the car thing and uh so I'm going to put that up there. So we are now down to
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$4.95 for the week and it's off to a good start. Uh, thank you so much for helping keep the lights on D. And I am
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putting that up. Bada bing. And so in any case, thank you um for that. And so
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let's continue. And let's see. Um, let me go here and let's see. This is uh,
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infest if I pronounced that. I probably didn't pronounce that right. Uh, what do we
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know about the Patriarch of Alexandria sending delegates to the fourth Lateran Council in the mid 1200s?
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Did they view it as a local council of a church that they still thought of as Orthodox? Um, was it the Orthodox
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Patriarch of Alexandria or the or one of the other ones like um like the Coptic
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Patriarch? I have no idea that I've I haven't heard that. Certainly, it's not recognized by the Orthodox now. Um, so
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that could have just been miscommunication, not realizing what was going on, realizing what was happening,
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and then leaving. So, we got to give some leeway to people who might have
47:05
been misled because they didn't know what was happening. Um, but obviously
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they don't consider it orthodox now. Um, and they haven't since, so my guess is
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they never really recognized it. Maybe they had to see it to believe it. That would be my guess. Um, let's see here.
47:23
Once again, just to remind everyone, it is a live Q&A. So, if you have a
47:29
question, you want to jump on stream, ask a question, make a comment, tell me I'm stupid, feel free to click the link
47:36
in the top of the chat and we'll get going and have a have a discussion. Um, so, thank you uh for that. And let's
47:43
continue on. Uh, let's see. Uh, so what were you saying about you had just done a stream
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that was um you did a stream that was I guess you did pretty good and you wanted to one up it or Well, yeah. Well, I I'd uh translated a
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text uh it's called Russia's Crown of Thorns volume 7 um
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from Russian into English and I started reading from that and a couple other places and I just it went pretty well I
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thought. You know, it was nothing nothing too crazy. Um but yeah, I have
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uh some material gathered together like you know a lot of stuff that's been like memory hold on the u you know internet
48:20
archive and different different little snippets and quotes and uh the theme is
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going to be uh you know sort of like a Russia's Goltha but America's Goltha
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that's the theme um because I think there was a
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St. Ignadius of Harbin who talked about, you know, today in Russia, tomorrow in America, right?
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You know, so that whole prophecy, glory to God, it sounds interesting and I hope it works out. Uh I hope it works
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out well. So, we'll see. Let me see here. And so, let's uh continue on. I'm just
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moving along. We got another comment. Uh yeah, glory to Okay. Yeah. U glory to God for their labor and working on that.
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Absolutely. I think I read that. Um, Daniel Anglo says, "Can you address two rumors?" Um,
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what are the rumors? I can address them, but what are the rumors?
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What are you growling about? I don't want your snack. Anyway, um, number one,
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St. John of Sh St. John of San Francisco placing soup on his mustache.
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Um, I mean, I never heard that.
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Maybe what? Maybe he had a logic behind it. He wanted to like get better control. I mean, this is a problem I
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have with my mustache. So, I mean, if you put like a little broth on it, maybe
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that will I mean I to me it doesn't sound like a a very big deal. It sounds
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like a quirk and I don't really know why he would do that. But I can see as someone with a mustache a person doing
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that for a number of reasons, but I am not aware of them. Uh what was the
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second one?
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Does it say soup or does it say soap? And I'm just blind. Oh no, it says soup. Okay.
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Uh Danieller says, "Bishop Leanti of Chile praying with Catholics in Venezuela."
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I think I know what that's a reference to. Um because I've seen that it was actually distributed uh even recently I
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saw uh this mentioned in a few different places where it was mentioned that there um he was at a u a panaha
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uh with a bunch of Latin Catholics. Now the picture shows that these are completely vested latins uh Roman
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Catholics that he is apparently attending with. But that's when I got confused because Roman Catholics don't
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do panidas. They they do memorial masses. Now if the memorial mass thing
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is true, that's much worse. And if the um if it wasn't a memorial mass and it
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was some kind of state function, uh then it might be a given that he was expected to show up and it was a political event.
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Um we don't have much background on that picture and um the earliest pictures
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that I can find all still have the red arrow u meaning that they were already
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used for propaganda purposes. I I I just don't know uh enough about that. Now,
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wasn't it true that, you know, arch uh Bishop Leanti Chile sort of would go
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around and pull out Roman Catholic uh relics and different things from the
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garbage. Someone was throwing them away. Is that who I'm thinking of or was it somebody else doing that? I thought St. John did that cuz St. John
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was finding relics all over. I mean, it's possible. It's possible Mishanti was I just haven't Yeah. I'm trying to like figure out like
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what you know what the mentality probably would have been behind something like that and and a lot of times with a photograph I know you know
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like you mentioned the Indonesian gok earlier like they'll bring up a photograph of this guy at some sort of
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get together and say look he's an accuminist and it's he's just sitting down you know at at like a a council or
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a a festival of some sort. You know what I mean? I mean, you know, I don't I don't um I I I try to be charitable
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about stuff like that because the simple reality is that um you know, our communities have gone through a lot.
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Um and so they're naturally kind of suspicious and stuff like that. Oh,
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well, I think with World Orthodox, like they're looking for any little thing to be like, look, see, you know,
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they're they're looking for any excuse to equivocate, which is why they don't say anything because they don't have
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that excuse yet. Uh Liz Photo says, "Whenever anyone hears I'm an inquirer,
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they bring up the Roman Catholic Church. Besides the obvious pope, what are some other differences? Are icons and saints
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the same? Purgatory? I don't know much." Okay, so there's a few differences. Uh first off, if you go to a union church,
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they they those are designed to not show differences. Uh big difference is instead of icons, a lot of the time they
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use statues, very animated looking ones. Um you know, we could talk about that,
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but the real difference is in the doctrine of the papacy. Uh there was no
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uh mandate from the church. And this is we're going to actually discuss this more in a debate I will be doing
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November 7th. Just a quick reminder uh new style uh with Elijah Yasi on the
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papacy. The papacy is um is the central defining um doctrine of its own
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religion. If you study Catholicism, you'll realize that they have Catholics
53:55
that look like Orthodox. They have ashrams that for like Catholic Hindus. Like it's crazy. The only thing that
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unites these people is literal union with the pope. And uh that is not uh the
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structure of the church. Uh purgatory we believe in the toll houses uh is a
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better way of putting it. The tonia in the scriptures uh which means that uh as
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the person is going to heaven they are confronted by their own sins. It's a part of the particular judgment. But
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yeah uh so I would say that there's um they have different saints which reveal
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a different spirituality. Um one good example is um if you compare
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our saints who are focused primarily on their glorification on um becoming
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united to the Holy Spirit uh Roman Catholic practices can sometimes seem a little weird including uh you know self
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flagagillation and stuff like that um which they're trying to get away from.
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So I I but it is still part of their historical kind of past.
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Uh, let me see here. Uh, MC Chili says, "Flavor Saver." I I assume that's about the mustache thing. Um,
55:10
all right. So, let's take a look here. And, uh, once again, just a reminder to everyone that if, uh, you want to jump
55:16
on the stream to ask a question or make a comment, just click the link in the top of the chat. You know, as long as
55:22
it's not something that's going to get me to, uh, you know, any question is pretty much on the table. So, feel free.
55:29
Um, let me see here. Uh, we got another comment. Let's take a look. Uh, yep. MC
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Chili says correct. Okay, so we're we're doing good here so far. I guess I can uh take a look to see what this uh this
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poll I created uh says because um let's see here. I got something on a major difference
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that's kind of short, you know. Um with the papacy, uh this is what I always
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bring up. So it's St. Gregory the Great, you know, at the beginning of the century. He said, "Whoever calls himself
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a bishop above all bishops or a universal bishop is the forerunner of the antichrist." And then you got uh you
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know Hildebrand or Pope Gregory. He says, "And so I am by the will of Almighty God and the bishop of Rome, the
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universal bishop, the bishop above all bishops, the only deputy Christ on earth." So from my perspective it looks
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like you know the Orthodox saints are have this humility whereas you uh the
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Roman Catholics seem to be a bit prideful or deluded in ways. Yeah I I would agree with that. Um
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Daniel Lang Langlo asked what is it that the most strictest Matuites want from other true Orthodox in order to be in
56:39
communion with them? I would probably defer you to a Matthewite since that
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wouldn't be fair for me to answer on their behalf. Uh, Leonitz with a member
56:51
chat. Uh, what about preun roork and celebrating with Bishop Amphilo and
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Amphilo of the Belgrade patriarchet? Um, I know
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that that's, you know, he was kind of more of an exception. I know that in general the roore relations with the
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Serbians until probably uh the late 1980s, early 1990s were
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actually historically quite poor after they hosted them in Serbia. They were grateful. Um cuz remember Roor first
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formed in Serbia. So let me see here. Um and so yep. Uh Denise says yep. And
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Leonitus uh answers the strictest ma strictest Matthews don't want to have anything to do with other true orthodox.
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That's true. Um unfortunately and I think that's it's not just the Matthews. The strictest and some Russian groups
57:43
also want nothing to do with other true Orthodox. You just have to you have to be patient. Um everyone has uh suffered
57:52
massive levels of persecution. I mean think of how he started this show. uh the Bulgarian government's about to
57:58
liquidate the uh the old calendar Bulgarians. Um so, you know, it's
58:04
understandable that many True Orthodox would be suspicious. Um it does, you
58:10
know, it's everything. While I appreciate the zeal on many converts part to be like, what can we do to unite
58:17
the church? We're are broken people. we we're trying to build and we you know preach the
58:24
gospel but we have taken a beating over the past hundred years. Um and so we're
58:31
just getting started. And so it's understandable why um let me see here.
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Oh, we got we got this. Are we in the uh Eucharist though mystically to the body of Christ?
58:43
Yeah. So that that because we are united by faith in Christ, we don't worry too much about formal union. George Nearco
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says, "So, do you think St. Joseph the Hezek was a saint?" Yes. Yes, I do. And
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no, I don't think he was in communion with the com with the u
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new the new commemorators. His life story is controversial because there are
59:06
two different versions of it. One held by the Zealots, the true Orthodox, and one held by the World Orthodox who try
59:12
to make him sound like he's like Eframe reloaded. Um, Liz Photo asks, "Are the
59:19
holy people of the Old Testament saints?" Yes, and as a matter of fact, we do make icons for various Old
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Testament saints like the prophet Moses, Elias, etc. Um, Georgeos says, "Why did the Zealots
59:32
of Katuh Katanakia and the desert from Aos disappear and are back in communion?" Um, I'm not the right person
59:40
to ask on that because I'm not an expert on Athos. But I will say that a lot of the framing around um the um the zealots
59:50
who then became commemorators is never that simple. Uh in the 1970s
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uh the ecumenical patriarch introduced the new holy mountain fathers. These were new abbots that were um placed in
1:00:04
charge over many of the previously zealot monasteries where they were told to commemorate the patriarch or and this
1:00:11
is that's how it's going to stay. Um which then affected uh a lot of the
1:00:17
mentality and spirituality on Mount Do which is why menu is considered the true
1:00:23
hold out along with a few skis. Um that to compromise says uniting the church is
1:00:30
Christ and the Holy Spirit's job, not ours. 100% true. Um how do we explain
1:00:36
the oneness of the church while we're broken into various feuding senates? How can we claim Eucharistic communion when
1:00:42
some cinnids received by Crumian? And that's in Troy Fest Jun Lachin asks um
1:00:48
again all I can say is that it was considerably worse 20 years ago. uh the
1:00:55
majority of true Orthodox throughout the world are in communion with other true Orthodox throughout the world. Um I
1:01:02
don't think you know I mean making focusing on external unity when our
1:01:08
focus needs to be unity and faith which is the orthodox method of unity uh is
1:01:14
the most important thing we can do rather than worry about what other people think of us because I I must say
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this no matter how many different ways the question is addressed the truth is
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the underlying ing motivation of that question is what will others think of
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us? Uh when you stop worrying about what others care about and what Christ and
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rather what Christ worries about, it's not even something that pops up on the radar. Right? And uh you know there's something
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that I always try to make this distinction when I talk about this with other people is that there's a distinction between the church militant
1:01:55
and the uh church triumphant. So the church triumphant is one and it's it's
1:02:00
perfect and there's there's no separation within like you know an institutional level where there's little
1:02:06
breaks and different things. Yeah. But the church militant has always dealt with these type of situations where you
1:02:13
would have saints in different sinnods that wouldn't be in communion but yet they were both you know saints.
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Um there's also like prophecies from like St. in Anatolia uh of uh Optina where
1:02:27
he's like the Russian ship will be destroyed. It'll happen you know people can be saved on splinters and wreckage
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not all not all will perish you know um which he says near
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at a certain point these splinters would join together and and the ship would be rebuilt
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um there's something in the scripture and I it's St. Paul and he's on a ship.
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You know what I'm talking about? And sh St. Paul's on this ship and you know Christ saves the St. Paul and the
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members on this ship, but they're not saved on a ship. They're saved on splinters from the ship. So that's sort
1:03:05
of the analogy that the saints use about this kind of Yeah, this is that was brought up with St. Basil uses a similar analogy in his
1:03:12
letters. Um, George Narcos uh says, "If he didn't
1:03:17
go back into communion, why did St. Ara of Kadaninoia stop doing liturgy for him
1:03:22
when they supposedly went back into communion in Nuski?" Uh, it looks like
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um it looks like uh Leonitus is actually answering. So, Denise with 100% father
1:03:34
and I'll put up Leonitis's answer. Uh St. Joseph Cenodia was in communion with the commemorators but elders Ephrem and
1:03:40
Haralamos did not commemorate Patrick during liturgies. Plus on top of that that is a member chat which is why we
1:03:45
put it up. Elder Nick Forum Foros Elder from spiritual father was a strict zealot so he probably didn't want his
1:03:51
disciples consolidating with him. Um George says that's not my question. I
1:03:57
said why St. Ephra of Kadanakia not Arizona stopped doing their liturgies when they went with the monasteries. uh
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we know with uh his elder Nicophoros stayed with a zealot uh zealots. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not an
1:04:10
expert on Mount Aos and so I don't necessarily believe you uh uh like that may be rude. I'm sorry, but if you're a
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new calendarist defending new calendar, I don't have to assume your honesty. Like if you approached me honestly
1:04:23
without a gotcha that from something I have no idea about, then I I don't see a reason to answer you. would probably
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suggest talking to uh talking with true Orthodox people, Greeks who know the situation better than I do.
1:04:37
Uh let me see here. Uh Liz Photo says, "Why do the Protestants seem to romanticize the Jews and how are the
1:04:43
Orthodox different in this?" Uh very different. Uh one of the things that we realize as Orthodox is that, you know,
1:04:49
the Old Testament church um was awaiting salvation. So what that means is that we
1:04:57
would see the saints and patriarchs of the Old Testament as our own. Um
1:05:03
Protestants by nature because they don't uh automatically see things in terms of
1:05:09
a stream of tradition from the Old Testament to the New uh and don't trust
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uh Orthodox or even Orthodox and Roman Catholic conceptions of things like where the tomb of Christ is.
1:05:24
um they will often times uh to get some sort of understanding of what the
1:05:29
original meaning of the scriptures is is uh to refer back to the Jews and
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ironically th that would be a different religion because it was basically phariseism whereas uh the Jews for the
1:05:42
most part did temple worship. So that's part of the reason why they do that. But then it's kind of historical feedback
1:05:48
because then Protestants with their empty churches ironically then affected the synagogue which used to be well
1:05:53
decorated and is now look now looks more like a Protestant church. So you have a historical feed feedback loop that's
1:05:59
happening which is actually removing them further from tradition. So I hope that helps
1:06:04
and and uh I wanted I've been looking into like a little bit of this history too. A lot of the Protestant reformers
1:06:11
were meeting up in Masonic lodges um because they they seen that they they uh
1:06:16
would get some form of help from th the the Masons in some way. So they become
1:06:22
Masons and a lot of those people in those lodges would be Jays, you know, and uh
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it seems like there was an influence going on there between the Jays and the
1:06:33
early Protestant reformers. Well, I think we I think we can just use the term Jew, I'm pretty sure, on
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stream. I don't Gotcha. Sorry. It's not like we're like hurling invective or anything. We're just noting
1:06:45
historical connections between communities. Historical Jewish usually Masonic. Yeah.
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Make sure I'm not like saying something to get your stream taken down or something. I don't know.
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What's this? Trish C. I don't even know how to pronounce. Okay. Well, they were
1:07:01
they were welcome. You can always come back. I have no idea who that was. Uh, in true fest unlaken says, "When and why
1:07:10
did Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria become controlled by Greeks, many
1:07:16
residing in Constantinople and never taking their seas instead of the local
1:07:21
clergy." Um, part of that is it's there's there's some history behind
1:07:27
this. Um because what happened was that after the council of Florence and you're
1:07:33
talking about the you know situations like the union um
1:07:38
they couldn't actually put bishops for the local flock and there was also attempts at propagandization. Remember
1:07:45
Antioch's um cinnid was primarily native uh at the union of 1724.
1:07:54
Um, and so ultimately, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh,
1:08:01
those native born bishops apostatized to Roman Catholicism. And so it was, um,
1:08:07
St. Sylvester of Antioch, I believe he's a saint, uh, who went to Constantinople and got, you know, the episcopate and
1:08:14
began restoring Orthodox seas. Uh, so that's, um, you know, that's, uh,
1:08:21
the reason why. So there's history to it. And then you have the brotherhood of the holy sephiler etc. And that it kind
1:08:27
of became centralized. And while the Russian Empire was able to fix that for uh the Anokei incident, they were not
1:08:33
able to fix that. Well, Alexandria now is is different, but uh and Jerusalem is
1:08:39
slowly changing. So that that's something that happens over time. Uh George Nearco says, "Do you think it's
1:08:45
okay for Esfigo to ordain priests without a bishop?" Uh I don't think anyone in Sfigman would be okay with
1:08:51
that. That sounds weird. Um, Lanita says, "Bishops do ordain the priest as I suspected."
1:08:58
Uh, George New York says, "Which bishops? They aren't under a senate." Leonita said, "Go bishops, they were in
1:09:04
communion up until 2022." Yeah. And that's fine. You know, basically, one thing to remember is that a monastery is
1:09:10
a monastery. So, if they're commemorating all Orthodox bishops, I
1:09:16
mean, technically, they're doing the world a favor. But, you know, some people, you know, some people were not happy that they decided to do that.
1:09:22
There's it's praying for everyone. So, we could definitely use it and we there's a lot of I'm sure the dog's bishops. So, uh let me see
1:09:29
the letter kills and the spirit gives life and the letter proofs. He's saying
1:09:34
there's proof saying Ephraim can celebrate when there were moderate zealots. No bishop ordained their
1:09:40
abbott. Um an abbot is not ordained. He is elected.
1:09:45
Um and then you know he can be blessed by the bishop to be made. you can be
1:09:50
blessed as an abbot by you know the bishop but um yeah what you're saying doesn't make sense here um
1:09:58
Las says how do we become orthodox if there's no true church anywhere near us um this is a common question we do get
1:10:05
that every week um like what uh the best thing that you can do uh if you are
1:10:12
familiar with orthodox services if you're not you should probably learn about that on YouTube Um but getting to
1:10:21
learn uh the uh prayers of the services. Um I recommend there is you know
1:10:28
learning what typica is and finding the closest true orthodox priest. Um there
1:10:34
are directories about two episodes ago. If you look in the live uh if you look
1:10:40
in the description, uh there are two maps of true Orthodox churches throughout the world that you'd be
1:10:45
surprised at how many True Orthodox churches might actually be near you. Uh we did have one guy call in and he was
1:10:52
like, I don't know where to find the church. And there were five of them around him. So, uh or the pirate says,
1:10:58
Loto, where are you? Okay. Uh Loto says, Ocala, Florida. Oh, there's there's
1:11:03
stuff in Florida. Um there's uh the dorm mission true orthodox church in Clearwater. Our father Bonafice who
1:11:10
sometimes comes on as in north going to North Florida but he was in Lakeland. Um
1:11:15
yeah. Yeah. There there's Orthodox in Florida for Orthodox. They're in Florida. There's quite a few of them. Um
1:11:21
so you definitely want to look for the directory. Obedient father. He says, "Father, have you watched the series
1:11:27
Sophia about Grand Princess of Moscow Sophia Pelina?
1:11:32
Also, do you have a favorite biblical film that generally moved you? Yeah. Or the virus says Florida gang gang because
1:11:39
he's uh he's North Florida. So, yeah, you'd be surprised. Uh Obedient. I not only have watched that series, I have
1:11:45
been recommending that series for about two years. Um it's fantastic. Uh I I
1:11:52
loved every minute of it. I watched uh I watched the episodes repeatedly. Um it's
1:11:58
totally worth it. I highly recommend it for for a lot of people. Um, do I have a favorite biblical film
1:12:05
that genuinely moved me? That's an interesting question. Um,
1:12:13
I want to say probably probably it's a tossup between The Passion of the Christ and uh, The
1:12:20
Greatest Story Ever Told. Um, unless you mean Moving Me to Laughter,
1:12:26
in which case I would say Brother, Son, Sister Moon was probably and accidentally one of the funniest movies
1:12:32
I've ever seen. Um, let's see here. Uh, what part of
1:12:38
North Florida is Father Bonafice? Um, I think he's looking in the Deuniac
1:12:44
Springs area. Um, and so that's uh, you know, that's towards the panhandle.
1:12:50
Um, George Nearco says, "Also, why do you believe in rebaptism when ecumenical
1:12:56
councils disagree?" Uh, I don't believe in rebaptism. I believe in one baptism, but I also believe in the Roore
1:13:03
distinctive from 1971, which correctly pointed out that the behavior of
1:13:09
heterodox groups in terms of how they handle baptism has made us more cautious
1:13:15
in simply accepting those baptisms. So using caution that is why we do not
1:13:20
recognize the baptism of the heretics. I am not talking about orthodox baptism at all.
1:13:27
Um yeah and uh let me see here uh John Taylor Harden says photo I'm in
1:13:33
Belleview Florida next to Ocala. My priest is father Bonafice. Okay so as you can see there's there's there's
1:13:40
there's stuff going on in Florida. Florida's got you know it's got some coverage. This is good deal. This is a good deal. Uh, South Florida still needs
1:13:47
a little work, but we're getting there. We're gonna get there. Every everyone's trying something. Uh, and Abbott doesn't
1:13:53
need an ordination. Well, he has to get taur that. But the whole point is that um, let me see here.
1:14:01
Uh, what would you say to my husband who's having the hardest time converting because of the fasts against meat? Uh,
1:14:07
this is this photo. His sister told him, "Don't let a cow keep you out of heaven." Um, well, yeah. I mean, I can
1:14:15
understand the frustration. Um, and so I would say that, uh, even though you
1:14:20
can't eat meat, um, there's often things that you can eat that are protein if you're a big protein person. And there
1:14:27
are, uh, there are, of course, substitutes as well. Um, I say don't
1:14:33
think about the time you can't eat meat. Treasure the time you do. Um, if you do
1:14:39
that and you look at it that way, um, then you'll realize that most weeks,
1:14:44
especially, we're not even going to have a fast until basically after Thanksgiving. Um, it's just Wednesday and Friday. So,
1:14:52
you know, just uh, you know, try different things. Wait, hold on.
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Hold on a second. Give me just a moment.
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Let's continue on. And what's this?
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Okay, thank you. Wow, this is awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. One
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Meaning that if we can get just $270 more, we will keep the stream on longer
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What do you think that's about? What what do you think that's about? like all
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the spam bots or it just Oh, no. It's it's a coordinated attack. I mean, we got hit with a DOS like two
1:17:15
months ago. Oh, yeah. But it only lasted for a day because our web master is really really
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smart. Yeah, that's crazy that that you know, and there's other websites like I know
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uh you know, Vladimir Moss has a website that seemed to have been attacked by the
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DOS attack for like a month. Like you couldn't, you know, get that information. really desperate to cover
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up the information especially in places like Russia um and in places
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like Bulgaria where you know they're doing stuff like this you know um for this George person I
1:17:51
have a feeling he's with Go Arch right uh there's something that has been they've been trying to cover up now this
1:17:57
was a new calendar website that uh in Greek you go there and you find out
1:18:02
Bartholomew is um accepting funds from the Templars and blessing Templar
1:18:09
rituals and doing things like that. Isn't that strange? That's crazy. Yeah. Um, let me see here. Den, uh, let's see.
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Georgeos says, "Why do you appeal to an irrelevant rocore council? What brings validity to a baptism outside the
1:18:22
church?" Uh, you can't have a baptism outside the church. That's precisely why
1:18:27
your awful echumism has done so much damage to the concept of ecclesiology.
1:18:32
What it actually does is it destroys the concept of the church. Uh, so you're welcome to come on the stream and and
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join and ask. Uh, I'll I'll be glad to talk to you about it. Uh, Denise says, "That's Get over it." Is what
1:18:45
I'd say. I agree. That is I think he's she's talking about George. I don't know. Maybe. Uh, Dan Fory says,
1:18:52
"Father Joseph, I will personally request Archbishop Elpadaf to baptize you." Oh, no. I I I'm sure that he would
1:18:58
he would be glad to do it and have that live streamed so that I could see his weak baptismal game uh right in front of
1:19:05
me and probably he'll probably screw it up and then he'll like put a rainbow flag on it. I don't know
1:19:12
you know the the guy that wrote the book on Memphis Miserium. He said that was a great great uh book on new politics or
1:19:18
whatever it was. Yeah. I'm amazed that uh I'm amazed that um Archbishop Luke just basically said
1:19:25
to uh go to Metropolitan Demetrius and leave Archbishop Alpha Opera stand and I
1:19:30
think he means you for that too. Um let me see uh where says uh Dan will that
1:19:37
take place before or after the gay couple baptisms? Uh yeah I mean you got
1:19:42
to be kidding me guy. You guys got to be kidding me. Like you can't be you can't
1:19:48
be serious. But if you are serious, I'm terrified for you and I hope you're okay. Um, again, this is our live Q&A
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session. So, if you want to jump on the stream, you can just um as it just click
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1:20:09
Lindorf says, "Thanks, Taylor. I will email." Yeah. Uh, great. Good to hear uh there. Good work, John. All right, so
1:20:16
let's uh let's continue on. Uh let's see here. Uh did we have so what what else uh
1:20:24
yeah uh let's see here before so he can watch uh
1:20:31
I I don't know Dan if you want to jump on the stream if you have a comment feel free. Um but you know as long as as long
1:20:38
as uh you know oh yeah more of a brethren says call in George I'm Protestants and I'm it's totally
1:20:44
encouraged to disagree if that's your position. Welcome back, Matthew. I haven't seen you in a while. A lot of people were wondering if you were okay
1:20:50
if you were okay. So, welcome back. Um, and that's cool that you, you know, you've endorsed our our thing here. But,
1:20:57
uh, let's see. Yep. Or the fire says, "Matthew, long time no see." Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, we're a community here,
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guys. You know, we all know each other a little bit, guys. Okay, guys. All right.
1:21:10
Uh, let's see here. And so, yeah, this is uh so far we're doing okay. We are
1:21:15
now in the uh we're now 6 minutes into the second hour. Um so yeah, brother
1:21:21
from a Protestant mother. Ah, that's funny. Okay, these are all because these are all member chats, you can get your
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comment on the screen. So that's uh that's there. And let's see here. And
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okay, so if you want to jump on the stream, ask a question, make a comment, tell us why orthodoxy is wrong, please
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feel. Oh, thank you. Super chat from Paul W. Hall, thank you so much helping
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keep the lights on. Let's continue the momentum. This is moving faster now. All right, so we're going to put uh PH
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there. And that's the first super chat of the night. Um so let's put that for
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10. And hold on. Updating. We are now
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115. If we can get that up to 375, I will stay on for an extra half hour. And if we get that up to the total goal of
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500, we'll stay on till 11:30. And then from there, it's Let's see here. Oh,
1:22:24
yeah. Ortho Pirate says, "You've been missed." And Matthew says, "Good evening, y'all. Are you Orthodox yet?"
1:22:32
Um, all right. So, this is great. Um, this is a great day. And so, let me turn the banner on. I forgot because uh we
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want to show that. So, we're doing okay. Protestant showed up. What's up, dude? We don't call him Toki. I mean, we I
1:22:45
mean, we could call him to That would be wrong to call him to I think he he's uh he's he's opinionated. He is very
1:22:53
opinionated, and that's we we like that. So, that's fine. Whoa. Whoa. Leonas
1:22:59
already a member sends in a $20 super chat. Um
1:23:07
let me see here. Uh, will you talk about the new holy mountain fathers in your history book on true orthodoxy? I
1:23:13
suspect that Abbott Basarian of Gregorio uh was assassinated. Um, I'm gonna be honest. Uh I the book is well first off
1:23:21
I haven't worked on it in weeks but the book is so um
1:23:27
it it's like so basic like very very um I'm trying to be very
1:23:34
like not detailed that I probably will mention the new holy mountain fathers
1:23:40
but they they're really a topic that deserves their own book even even a pamphlet um if anyone wants to do that.
1:23:48
Uh that's going to take a little bit of research, but it would definitely be worth it. Uh it would absolutely be
1:23:53
worth it. So that's that's my view. I I wasn't planning on it, but it probably should be done. But with that, I
1:23:59
don't know about I don't know about this. Uh the new Holy Mountain fathers. Yeah.
1:24:04
If you go to sfigmanu.com, they talk about it like in the timeline, but they don't go into too much detail. So you
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have to kind of dig that out uh on with your own uh research. of that. Thank you so much to Leonitis for
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And so boom. This is great. This is great, folks. Thank you so much. Uh God
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bless you. And of course, everyone who is donating, you're in my prayers and I'm in the chapel uh or in the altar
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depending on how well I know. Uh Dan Fory says, "I should get Buffalo to join." I would love to see Buffalo on
1:25:27
this chat. I would love to talk to Buffalo in real life. Um
1:25:34
Brethren, Matthew says, "Orthopirate, I'm double reformed now." That's like like an or like an Oreo. Uh
1:25:42
Samuel Rake says, "Do you take Zel and what number name would I use um with a
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member chat?" Uh Zel actually I don't take. And the reason for that is really
1:25:54
weird. It's because uh in attempting to integrate with Zel about two years ago,
1:25:59
uh my account just stopped working. My Zel account just stopped working altogether. And I've tried calling
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customer service. I've tried doing different things. It it just won't let
1:26:10
me use Zel. I I just can't use it. So, anything else uh any of the things I mentioned on the bottom of nftu.net
1:26:18
um if you can would be helpful. John Taylor Harden uh says uh you know you
1:26:24
for you should get Buffalo to join. What the heck?
1:26:29
I don't have a schnack. Why are you yelling at me? Wait, I don't want your snack either.
1:26:36
Why are you acting weird? Okay. Um yeah. uh double my prayer where
1:26:42
the part says I will double my prayer effort for you. What? Let me see. Is this
1:26:51
Oh, okay. Whoosh. I sent the dog down the stairs. That
1:26:56
might have been cruel. Um Okay. So, yeah. Uh who is Buffalo? Says Katherine.
1:27:02
U Buffalo is a guy on Twitter who really does not like True Orthodox much and he likes to argue with them and call them
1:27:08
names. Uh both Unseen and I have dealt with Buffalo many times, but he probably would be very interesting to have on the
1:27:14
show. Yeah. If if there was a uh super villain. He's
1:27:20
the super villain in my Yeah, he's more like a cartoon villain.
1:27:27
All right. Ortho Pirate says, "Moreover, I'm raising eight kids over here and you're making more work for me. Just convert over and cut me a break." Um
1:27:35
or pirate says, "Here." Lucas says, "Opinions on opinions on Matthewites."
1:27:41
My opinion is we love the Matthewites. That's my opinion. Um, so there you go.
1:27:48
I I I'm sorry if I just make it Trumpesque, but I mean my mate was a Matthew Whiteite. I I I know a number of
1:27:56
nice Matthewites. Father Anthony Gavales, who was like a living saint, was Matthew White. I met him. He was
1:28:01
really nice. He was a good guy. um you know my you know stepdaughter's like um
1:28:09
you know godp parentents they're matthew whites and good people and like I've I
1:28:16
don't think I've met you know maybe with the possible exception of uh so menos I I don't think I've met any Matthew
1:28:22
whites I I don't like they've always struck me as really nice people and you know very kind so why would I that's my
1:28:30
opinion on Matthew I think the caricature of of what Matthew whites are and some people might
1:28:35
play that role sometimes. But yeah, there's always people who are like they've read like some like generic
1:28:40
history like maybe like the early uh one of the early ones of the old calendar and they're just like Uhhuh. So
1:28:47
florinites want communion with the the church which is world orthodoxy and Matthew whites are they don't because
1:28:53
they're extremists. That's an insane position. But I've actually heard new calendarers say stupid things like this
1:28:59
and people just uh you know, you know, sometimes you'll get people too that are, you know, you say day,
1:29:05
they say night, and that that attracts them, you know. Yeah. So,
1:29:11
and Ron Kisa says, "We back." Uh yeah, we're we're doing great so far. Thank you so much for the kindness for
1:29:17
everyone who has donated. Uh I don't know. That was not that was not supposed to be free. You didn't. All right.
1:29:23
Anyway, so let's continue on. Again, this is our live Q&A show so you can
1:29:30
have your questions, your comments uh answered live video reviews if you would
1:29:36
like if you would like me to review a video. Um definitely I would say, you
1:29:42
know, go for it. Um and that's what we're here for. Answer questions on orthodoxy.
1:29:47
Uh, Lindor, what are the ROWAC and Metropolia relations? Uh, to my knowledge, ROWAC
1:29:55
and Metropolia relations uh are at a pretty much uh an all-time low. I I
1:30:01
mean, I still have a lot of respect and love for Father Mark and his parish. Um,
1:30:07
I mean, I guess, you know, I'm assuming that it's it's not bad. I still talk to the
1:30:13
ROAC people. I know. It's just I know that that's not there's a new crop of uh
1:30:19
you know and they're really more older zealot fans than they are orthodox. Um
1:30:24
but you know trying to poison the well um but we don't have any official
1:30:29
relations in Russia. They do have some uh you know pleasant relations with our Russians and I'm okay with that. Uh let
1:30:37
me see here. Sam England. Okay. Thank you so much. Um,
1:30:45
please tell me you found uh you found the true church cuz you starting with salamu allayikum makes me a little
1:30:52
nervous. But thank you for the donation. I really appreciate it. Um hopefully you're not considering Islam. If you are
1:30:59
get on the stream and we'll talk about it and I'll try to convince you not to do that because that's not smart. So um
1:31:05
let's uh add that in for the super chat. Se for $10 keep helping keep the lights on. We are now up to 150. Um, and uh,
1:31:14
the goal is down to 350. Uh, so this is kind of crazy. If we can flip these
1:31:20
numbers around, uh, we might be able to stick around a little longer. Let me just double check here. See here.
1:31:29
Okay. All right. So, that that seems to be it right now. So, this is good. Let's
1:31:34
see. Just one Daily York asks just wondering could you do typica in a Minecraft Orthodox church? Uh
1:31:43
I would say no. Um I don't think that's uh that's wise. I mean if you're going
1:31:49
to do stuff like that, you may as well just go on like one of the church channels and actually just watch a service. Um, I've I've designed big nice
1:31:58
uh I've designed really nice um churches stuff in Minecraft in the past where
1:32:04
I've even put the text of Typica in, but I never put them in with the expectation that people would use them and so I
1:32:12
don't think that's a good idea. Okay, dogs going crazy. Uh, so yeah, I mean in
1:32:18
theory you could build a nice little Minecraft Orthodox church, but really you should be finding one or setting something up. um yourself. Whoa. Okay.
1:32:26
Big news fast. Hold on. Okay.
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Uh okay. Wow. Okay. So, first uh we have a um we have a donation
1:32:40
uh from KSR. So, I'm going to put that there.
1:32:47
Uh let's see here. And I got to change the banner. And so that was for 25. So, thank you so
1:32:55
much. These are helping keep the lights on. And then I add them up and I add them to the car uh issue uh the car fund
1:33:03
which we'll talk about in a second. And that was for 25 bringing us down
1:33:10
bringing us up to 175. Um, and so the goal is now 3 uh 3, it
1:33:19
looks like 325, but I'm about to surprise you cuz here comes another one.
1:33:24
We did get a we got another uh um very generous donation. Um, thank you. Thank
1:33:31
you so much, guys. Um, another generous donation from JH. So that one was for
1:33:38
100 and so that puts us at 275 current
1:33:44
and the goal is now down to 225. If it gets down to 125, we will be staying on
1:33:50
for another half hour. If it gets cleared, uh I'll be here till 11:30. Uh
1:33:56
so this is kind of amazing. We're we're moving big. This is awesome. Glory to
1:34:01
God. And uh you know, this is great. All right, let's see what else we got. Um, where says Daniel who's asking
1:34:09
redeem Zoomer? Oh, that wasn't that was harsh. No, I mean you could build a church. You could put the text of Typica
1:34:15
in there and if it's a public server, maybe it'll help someone. Um, but it would be weird to then just start trying
1:34:20
to do the readings and pretending you're Yeah.
1:34:26
Uh, let me see here. Debt to compromise says Google True Orthodox Map. Oh, I'm going to put it up, but it's I don't
1:34:31
care if it's free. this one. Okay, so it has over 20,000 views and it was published on September 15th. That's
1:34:37
crazy. That's big. We're seeing big interest uh in true Orthodoxy coming out
1:34:44
and more and more people are looking and they're finding that there's true Orthodox not far from them. We're
1:34:49
everywhere except if you're in Bulgaria, you might be in a little bit of trouble. Uh let me see here. Ronista says, "Shot
1:34:57
collar like Hassan Piker." Lol.
1:35:02
Okay, let me see here. What do we got here? Let's see where the donuts at. You know,
1:35:08
huh? The donuts. 20,000 donuts on the video.
1:35:14
Time to make the donuts. Uh, thank you uh for everyone who's been donating.
1:35:19
Thank you so much. Um, and I wait, did I put in I didn't put in that. I need to
1:35:25
do that. So, that was um
1:35:30
Oh, I put I didn't put in the I didn't put that in. Hold on. H 100.
1:35:38
So, okay. So, now it looks accurate. Um so,
1:35:44
this is great. Um I'm I'm so happy that people are willing to help. Uh for those
1:35:51
who are not aware, basically um we had to repair our car and I had to take out
1:35:57
these very high interest loans. Uh so I have 90 days to pay them back. Right now we've collected 900 for the and the
1:36:04
current goal is uh 2500. It was 3,400. So our goal is to take as much as we can
1:36:11
and throw it into the car payment. So God willing this is going to work out. Uh this is going to be very good. Okay.
1:36:18
Uh super chat. Hold on. Hold on. Uh, let me see here.
1:36:23
And so, let's see. Recon key. Okay. And Ascendency says, "I started that map and published it back at the end of 2024.
1:36:31
Now, not even November yet. When I first shared it, it's now got 20,000. I'm glad to have help. Well, glory to God. You're
1:36:36
doing good work and it is helping people." Lindorfer says, "Donut compromised." Nathan even with a super
1:36:44
chat. Very generous. Thank you for helping keep the lights on. Um, are the icons for holding focus during prayer?
1:36:51
Uh, like candles and incense. Um, they can be. They can be, but um, during
1:36:57
prayer most of the time because we're reading, we're not actually, you know, looking at the icons. Uh, it's they're
1:37:02
useful for prayers where you're not like reading from the book like say you just say the our father or you're saying the
1:37:08
Jesus prayer. Uh, icons can be helpful for that, but it is good for having the icons there. Uh, and it's traditional.
1:37:16
So what's uh what's I know uh when I'm doing prayers here at the monastery like what what'll end up
1:37:21
happening is like to avoid my um I don't know lose you know what he's talking about losing focus that is a part of it
1:37:28
you know it's like uh keeping your mind where it should be and not straying from the service and being present you know
1:37:36
yeah absolutely all right so currently we're at 285 and the goal is now down to
1:37:41
215 so this uh this could be a very interesting half hour. All right, let's
1:37:47
pull that down. Let's look back at the comments. Leonitas with a member chat. Remember, you can also get your comments on the screen with a member chat with
1:37:53
membership. Thoughts on Elder Sebastian of Optina? He joined the MP in the
1:37:58
1950s, but was a cell attitude of Optina for 14 years.
1:38:06
Uh, I mean, Lord have mercy. That that's my thought.
1:38:12
I mean, if you join the MP, considering that the MP was created after the
1:38:18
largest, one of the largest murders, mass murders of Christians in 2,000
1:38:24
years of her history. Um, that patriarchet was blood soaked. And I
1:38:30
would be surprised. Um there's questions of like people like um what was the one
1:38:36
that they uh um talk about the the guy who authored Christianity or the church.
1:38:44
Um and I'm trying to remember his name but in you know history like we assumed
1:38:50
he was a new martyr then suddenly the MP said oh no he would secretly join the MP. But I mean they could say that about everyone like what if they just start
1:38:57
writing fake histories. Uh so I don't know what to think about that. Uh well, you know, there was people like
1:39:03
St. Sarapimo Sophia and Bishop Enoch brought this up to me and I never really thought about this,
1:39:08
okay? Where the MP would sort of have them, you know, delicated kind of off and they wouldn't see what's actually going on.
1:39:15
There was all this propaganda going around that, you know, they've stopped the persecution and, you know, Stalin's
1:39:21
treating people, right? And all this stuff, right? And uh that was like a common narrative.
1:39:28
So you could be, let's say you had your parish and you were a priest or something, you could be in your little
1:39:33
parish and it never really touched home for you because you're only hearing outside information, you know. Um,
1:39:40
possibly. But I think in some cases, one thing to remember is that often times as soon as you made your agreement to join
1:39:47
the MP, you had the you had the men in black show up to tell you what you were supposed to be reporting on.
1:39:52
So this is, you know, there's uh, okay, let me see here.
1:39:58
and and St. Kir of Kazan said, you know, there had been enough time for everybody to sort of, you know, examine what what
1:40:05
had happened and what's going on. So, I don't know. I don't I don't think there's much of an excuse you could
1:40:12
make, but yeah, I really wish that this did not have that. I don't know why why it does.
1:40:19
Um, there's, you know, the, let me see this
1:40:25
because if it really needs to have that Palestinian Orthodox Church removed, that dude's a scammer. I feel really
1:40:30
bad. But I will include for the sake of everyone else, I will include that listing. I'm going to start putting um,
1:40:38
hold on.
1:40:44
I'm going to start just putting this in my uh, signature in the description.
1:41:04
locations. All right. So, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to put both the maps in my descriptions uh so people
1:41:12
can refresh and you will see. I'm just going to start copying this into every
1:41:18
episode if I have to because I I hate repeating myself. Um give me one moment
1:41:24
while I do that and I will quickly edit this
1:41:30
and add the maps. We have the maps. All right. So now you can if you are looking
1:41:37
for that map or you want to save it etc. I have both the maps listed. You just have to refresh uh your screen and you
1:41:44
should be able to see it. Uh let's see here. Uh so that is uh the answer there
1:41:50
I would give. Uh so oh where's the website for the map again? Uh just refresh your screen. It should be in the
1:41:57
description. Um, between three, name three World Orthodox online priests who
1:42:03
annoy you the most and tell us why. Uh, I don't know that I I mean
1:42:09
I mean Okay, how about we do uh World War I clergy? Um,
1:42:15
let me think here. Um, I don't really get very annoyed by people. I'm trying
1:42:23
to think. I guess um I don't like what Father Patrick Cardine said uh about
1:42:29
Western right. I think he's not promoting it, but he doesn't annoy me. I think he just doesn't know better. Uh
1:42:35
Father Dr. Dee and Aaron and I Zorim. Uh yeah, he annoys me. And the the good
1:42:40
news is he he actually says I annoy him a lot more. Um because I think he's kind
1:42:47
of just being a blowhard and he thinks we're mentally ill. So uh that's about
1:42:53
it. I you know I mean I haven't you know I'm sure Father Moses McFersonson I I while I would add him he's kind of a
1:43:00
likable guy. Welcome Reader John. Um you know his whole claim that we're
1:43:06
mentally ill. It reminds me of um you know St. Anthony it's like um they'll
1:43:12
say that you're mad because they're you're not like them. That that's a that's straight out of a St. Anthony
1:43:18
prophecy. That's what I see. Um, D. Oh, go ahead, reader John.
1:43:25
Oh, okay. All right. Well, are you there, Father Bless? Sorry.
1:43:31
Oh, God bless you. I'm the father of the Holy Spirit. Okay. Uh, let me see here.
1:43:36
Um, let's see. Daniel York says, "Did Western right vestments look similar to
1:43:41
eastern right vestments?" Uh, the best way to look at it is look up Gothic vestments. Um, you'll see that actually
1:43:48
most of the components in traditional Gothic vestments correspond directly with Eastern vestments.
1:43:54
Gothic, not Goth. Yeah, Gothic vestments, not Goth vestments. Those are different.
1:44:00
Anglicans wear those than No, I'm kidding. I I don't know that. That's
1:44:06
like some Anglicans like, "How dare you?" I know.
1:44:11
The sheep pit off the Anglicans. That's ridiculous.
1:44:18
And with Anglo Catholic. Actually, not. Believe it or not, it's actually not ridiculous. There was a church that was closed down around here
1:44:24
that was an Anglican church. And I was thinking of reaching out. So, I wanted to learn more about it. And apparently, the last time it was open, they did a
1:44:31
goth mass. I I kid you not. Um, but uh anyway,
1:44:37
uh, Matthew says, "Between names, that's a very competitive field." Uh, reader John says, "Am I missing the Streamyard
1:44:43
link? It should have been there." Yeah, I found it, obviously. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You found it. You're
1:44:49
here. Sam England says, "What's your opinion on Lord of the Rings?" Um, well,
1:44:55
I I like them. The books are good. You know, the books are good. I thought the Peter Jackson movies were okay.
1:45:00
I like Gold. Yeah, the the new the new stuff from Amazon is trash. Don't waste
1:45:06
your time. That's what I think. Um, a sentence is Hilarian Troitzky. Exactly. St. Larry and Trosky. Loto says, "How do
1:45:13
you explain prayer in orthodoxy in a very literal way to someone who's only prayed in the Protestant world?" The
1:45:19
best way to do it is I would introduce to them the psalms because Orthodox read lots of psalms and we read them for
1:45:25
vespers, we read them for, you know, divine services, etc. We're always reading psalms. So what I would do is I
1:45:31
would explain that the way we Orthodox pray often times throughout the day is
1:45:36
we'll use different sets of psalms and then you can you know if you want to show her the best thing to do if you can
1:45:42
is get a copy of the psalter um the htm one is probably the best holy
1:45:47
transfiguration monastery which has the divisions of the different psalms. So
1:45:53
you can show that to your friend and they can be they can kind of realize that the way Orthodox pray is different
1:45:59
in the sense that we're always saying Psalms something. That's my favorite one.
1:46:04
Yep. Uh let's see here. Uh it's not pins at the top. Uh Denise says, "Uh that's kind
1:46:10
of a sus questions in between names. The three most popular are obvious." Yeah, I'm not going to, you know, I mean I
1:46:16
could I could go off on Father Peter here or something, but what's the point? Like I mean
1:46:21
we're in a posters era. What? We're in the posthes era. I guess you know I mean if he says
1:46:27
something goofy about us but he you know he he doesn't I mean he ambushed you in a live stream.
1:46:33
Come on father. Yeah. Well well you know
1:46:38
that's that's if you had if if they had to resort to such tactics. Was I not already the
1:46:44
winner? I know I lost a lot of respect for him that day. Oh yeah. Well, I had a lot of people did. Uh, trust me. Uh,
1:46:51
then he has no bishop. That actually opened up a lot of people's eyes. Um, and so that was, you
1:46:57
know, good. You really get under their skin because it's like the the first person they bring up, it's like, you know, it's
1:47:04
Father Joseph and they were attacking him for Steph on the stream. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
1:47:09
Well, I will say this. I will say this because this actually came up. Um, I did talk to Ben from uh Cleave Antiquity. um
1:47:17
because he was kind of upset um he was kind of upset this past week
1:47:22
um that you know uh people were attacking. So I had to actually explain you know kind of like an outside
1:47:28
observer thing but I don't want to be you know it's funny because I I obviously can't control everyone. I
1:47:34
don't control anyone. I'm I'm just a priest and most people who know me are my
1:47:39
congregants. Yeah. So so I I like I I think he was felt like ambushed but I
1:47:44
had nothing to do with it. He was like, "Why are they attacking me?" Well, first of all, like like I I just
1:47:52
Orthodoxy what uh you know I I seen what he was doing
1:47:57
and what he was saying was that you know that DTC was doing something that he
1:48:02
wasn't and I confronted him with it. I was like you know he didn't do what you're saying and let's be realistic
1:48:07
here. like you're only saying this because you're you're in the end crowd now, you know? And then he's like
1:48:14
undermining martyrdoms, which is okay. So now you're going to act like you're a
1:48:19
victim in some way. Like you're Well, let me even broaden the view even more. He's on the internet.
1:48:25
Anybody that puts himself out there is open to criticism. If he's that hyper sensitive, maybe he should get off the
1:48:30
internet. Well, it's the internet, you know. Yeah, that's the nature of the beast. Yep. Ascendency says Roorn in the 1970s
1:48:37
had some book calling him archbishop Hillaryian Fritzkin calling him hier martar he died only died two years after
1:48:43
Sergius's declaration and wasn't fully aware though he was against Sergius. Yeah, I mean I I that's the story I've
1:48:49
heard, but now the new version that you find on like orthochristian.ru is like
1:48:54
he was like rah rah Sergius and everyone else is a sysmatic and I was like doesn't sound
1:49:00
what? Yeah. Yeah. They're they're rewriting history a lot.
1:49:05
Okay. In between him. But are the three most popular particularly annoying? Uh they can be when they want to. And then
1:49:12
he says yes 100%. Beyond annoying. 110%. Yeah. And in between names says,
1:49:18
"Denise, what are your top three?" And Denise says, "Not playing that game." In between names. Um, he says, "Did you say
1:49:24
the Palestinian Orthodox Church one is not to or defector or something?" I can fix that then. I'm only like 50% done on
1:49:30
the second map. U great. If you're the person to talk to. Yeah. Well, they were over. He actually he literally scammed his way
1:49:38
in to the Avlon and when they discovered the truth about him, they disavowed all knowledge of him. He is not considered a
1:49:44
bishop by any true Orthodox people. Yeah. The guy who was running that whole jurisdiction was a scam artist. Yeah.
1:49:51
So yeah, I would take that one out of the Alona thing cuz that they're definitely not happy. But keep going
1:49:56
though. Both the maps are beautiful. And I did put both the maps in the description and they will be in every
1:50:01
episode from now on to save me time and you. And uh so let's see. Uh Father
1:50:08
Moses is annoying too. I Yeah, but he tries to be funny. That's Father Beast to you.
1:50:14
It's Father. That's That's Mr. Priest. Um Mr. Priest.
1:50:19
Mr. Priest 6,000. Okay. Anyway, um let's see. Oh, okay.
1:50:27
Another one.
1:50:33
Oh, I'm I'm sorry to hear this. I just got a message. Um, I think the big misconception is is like
1:50:41
we're trolling or something when it's Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Father,
1:50:46
I I just got word today from a parishioner that tomorrow may be the
1:50:52
demolition day for the church. Lord have mercy on us all. Oh, wow. Um,
1:51:00
oh, that one you had the videos on? Yeah, they're gonna bulldoze it.
1:51:06
Wow. God have mercy on ourselves. Yeah. Lord have mercy. That's that's
1:51:12
really painful uh to hear. Uh wow. That's too bad.
1:51:20
Let me see here. Uh yeah. Uh Dan Fory says, "The Palestinian Orthodox Church
1:51:26
used to be part of the Milan Senate." No, Dan Fory. I used to be part of the Milan sitting. You're making that up.
1:51:33
Don't Don't ever do that again. You're not you're not credible. You're you're a Greek arch dasis guy. Don't go get rid
1:51:38
of Ethan Wayne. Uh Seth Val says, "Father bless. May God bless the name of the father and the holy spirit." Uh I
1:51:45
reckon he says, "I went to a church in they have old vestments and they do look similar to Orthodox vestments." Yeah, Moabic Gothic vestments are actually
1:51:51
longer. So they look and they're really ornate. So yeah, it's really
1:51:56
um Leonita says, "Ascendency at the GOC Stfanos." Um, you may need to send them
1:52:02
the website that has all those addresses or because it's like the website I think it's go na like so if you look there
1:52:10
ascendency like he has like a kind of a database of the list of the different
1:52:15
parachutes. So you could definitely add that. Yeah. Uh ascendency says oh so the
1:52:20
Palestinian church went the whole time. It was never No, it was never of it. It was a scam. It lasted it
1:52:27
lasted in the loness in it for approximately 20 minutes. Um it's yeah
1:52:33
it's a completely madeup church by Ramsey Malum uh who basically is a Wheeler dealer with real estate.
1:52:40
Uh yeah John MC says the Reverend Dr. Father Deacon Ananas thinks that 85% of true orthodox are mentally ill so 15%
1:52:47
are mentally healthy. It seems you gota be a little bit crazy to be
1:52:52
orthodox you know. Yeah I agree. I couldn't get over the big hairy feet in Lord of the Rings,
1:52:58
says Reclamista. Yep. Yep. That's true. Ascendency says, "Yeah, I wasn't sure
1:53:03
who to add. I wasn't sure adding about Matthews, but I find TOC Stefano is fine, so I'll add it. I did make a
1:53:09
separate list of list of parishes for all Matthew." Oh, that's interesting. Okay, that's nice. I'm sure they'd appreciate
1:53:15
it. Yep. Recon Key says, "And also, isn't the Gollum a part of Jewish tradition?"
1:53:22
Uh, yes. Yeah, but it is, but I don't think they're different than that one.
1:53:29
And uh just not a proper map of it yet, nor was sharing it. Well, that's fine, but it's what you're doing is really
1:53:36
helping people before he says, "No, the Palestinian Orthodox Church is not connected to anyone. They try to use St.
1:53:41
Nino's Georgian Orthodox Monastery." Then Bishop Sava punished the monastery. Yeah. Uh I'm surprised at how he's
1:53:49
acquiring people. As I mentioned, Ramsey acquired an OCA church just uh like 10
1:53:54
miles from us. Uh beautiful church. I'm like, why would they go with him? Like
1:54:00
he's Well, maybe that's why. Well, as I told uh behind the scenes to
1:54:07
our dear friend uh Jacob from the last stream, uh some of these people, even
1:54:12
though they're very incorrect, are very charismatic and and often than Yeah. They're very
1:54:18
That's true. um you know, but he's um he's a degenerate, like a moral degenerate.
1:54:25
Like he's not not only is he not a bishop, he's he's like not he's sus in orthodoxy.
1:54:31
Well, a lot of the world orthodox are not too far off. Yeah. Do you do you not remember that
1:54:36
metropolitan Joseph from the Antioc arch dascese? At least it was a woman.
1:54:41
Yeah, that's good. Well, that's a fair point. And then he tried to then he tried to
1:54:46
sue then he tried to sue to get millions from them. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Uh let me see here. Linder says there's
1:54:54
a big Pentecostal personality, Mike Bickl, who teaches you to pray from the stomach, which is wrong. Yeah, I pray
1:55:00
with your mouth. You say pickle. No, Mike Bickle. Oh, I got hungry.
1:55:06
Mike Pickle. Um, Leonitus says, uh, Leonitis 2000 with a member chat says, "Wasn't St.
1:55:12
Ferrett a member of the MP in China from 1945 to 1961?"
1:55:18
He was never he was never part of the MP, I think. Um, yeah, cuz it wasn't under communist
1:55:24
control yet. Um, they tried to assassinate him twice. Um, no, I don't think he was. I think he
1:55:31
may have Was it I don't Was it him or St. John? Maybe it was both. But
1:55:37
didn't he have a father that ended up being a The father his father ended up being uh
1:55:42
going with uh the MP and ended up going back to Russia and loudly advocating for
1:55:48
everyone to return to Russia and he died a few months later. Yeah. Yeah.
1:55:53
It might be something like St. Per was with them for a while and then like discerned that this this is wrong like
1:55:59
something's up with this and then he started protesting vehemently. I'd have to read the life of
1:56:04
rejecting a Soviet passport, like the whole Soviet passport stuff. I'd have to I'd have to read the
1:56:10
beginning of Subdac Nick's book again. Yeah, definitely. Uh let's see here.
1:56:16
Shameful plug shameful plug for the St. Fer. There's so many there's this the life of St.
1:56:22
Ferret uh that he has there. There's the St. Ferrett letters complete works and
1:56:28
now we have the in their own words uh the letters of St. Ferrett and Bishop Gregory Grae. Highly recommend
1:56:35
orthodox.com. I'm covering that story on that. Uh, as
1:56:41
far as I know is that they assumed that the roore had been disintegrated. Yeah.
1:56:46
Right. And correct. So, they were like, well, I guess this is all that's left. It's God's will.
1:56:52
Oh, man. I'm coveting that last book you mentioned with uh Bishop Gregory Crab.
1:56:58
Their in their own words. Yeah, it is. I'm I can't wait to get started. If only he would release Kindle
1:57:03
versions. Well, you know, he's going old school. I know. I know. It doesn't help the
1:57:09
blind people, though. I understand that. Uh since all the fathers teach to pray from the heart.
1:57:15
Yeah, that that's crazy. Uh Lindor, that's terrible. This photo says, "What's the best response when
1:57:21
Protestant family members start praying around you or for you?" Um probably pray a little louder. Um,
1:57:28
big sign of the cross. They're Yeah, they're gonna do a big sign of the cross. That'll usually like
1:57:34
that that always uh helps. Um, but uh yeah, so I would, you know, be be smart
1:57:41
and uh be first. Uh let's see. Start doing the tric.
1:57:47
Yeah, start, you know, start the sag again. Yeah, exactly. Uh Dr. Compromise says, "Wait, what? Um, I'm I'm not sure
1:57:54
what you're referring to, DTC. You're in trouble, mister.
1:58:00
Wait, who who's feelings got hurt? What is going on here? Did I miss something? I think you're referring back to the
1:58:06
thing with Ben. Oh, well, you know, it's okay. These are Yeah, these these are a few minutes old.
1:58:13
Uh, reckon, have you seen the bankers in Lord of the Rings?
1:58:19
Uh, Obedian says, "It's not like the diorites orthobo bros don't do the same to every Christian on earth that's not
1:58:24
them." Yeah, they they kind of do. Um, Sam England says, "Father Moses on YouTube has some good stuff on
1:58:29
masculinity." Yeah, he does, which is why I'm not so, you know, I mean, some of it's goofy and he still does apostate
1:58:35
stuff, but yeah, he does some entertainment. Dan Fory says, "Go chain yourself to it." I don't know what that
1:58:41
means. in between names says why did Metropolitan uh Angalos join the Milan
1:58:47
Senate in 2008? Uh what is the justification for this being okay? Uh he didn't join the Milan Senate. What
1:58:54
happened was uh he did recognize communion between uh Milan and uh
1:59:01
yeah they're in communion that's not yeah they still have separate senates right and then bishop metropolitan of
1:59:07
logios helped metropolitan angalos make bishops and that's what became the goca
1:59:13
um so he didn't join the milanza he was always in Greece so that's that's outside of our jurisdiction
1:59:21
uh so I hope that helps uh Denise with the uh broken heart emoji. John Mc Gospel, Lord have mercy. Oh yes, this is
1:59:28
about the building most likely to see. Lord have mercy. Yeah, it is a real shame. If that's true, um if that's
1:59:35
true, it's the that's the saddest thing I've heard in a while. Um and it's it's
1:59:42
a shame for not just the community, it's a shame for um it's a shame for the Orthodox uh
1:59:49
people. There were options there. They didn't have to do this. Um,
1:59:54
they used to house the relics of um, oh, I'm blanking on it.
2:00:01
They had a foot. I know they had a foot of St. Alexi, but they moved that to the Yeah, I call it the casino church. It's the
2:00:07
church on the mountain. He used to be there. Rob Schneider actually uh, the comedian
2:00:12
actually tweeted a picture of that church and I was like, "What? What?
2:00:17
Duce Bigalow went to church." I was like, "Okay, okay, it's interesting."
2:00:24
For those who don't know the Deuce Bigalow reference, Rob Schneider is an actor, comedian, performer. He's been in
2:00:30
a lot of different things. Um, but I guess
2:00:36
what? That was really random. It was the first one that popped into my
2:00:42
head because like the other ones, you have to be like 50 First Dates. The guy that was like, "You can do it."
2:00:47
All right. Are you going to put this? your history. U
2:00:52
Oh, did that come up? Did that come up? No, I'm just That's a sincere question. Not playing. No, I'm not I'm not because first off,
2:01:00
he's not even near a Tio church. He went by the the casino church, which is OC. Oh, okay.
2:01:05
Ascendency says, "Yeah, I got a nice list of Stfano's parishes, but any more suggestions, etc. You can send in chat and I'll save it for later." Uh, Joseph
2:01:13
Patton says, "Are you in commune with the GOCK under his eminence Metropolitan Demetrius?" Well, it depends on who
2:01:18
you're talking to. Um, if you're talking to me, no, I am not. Um, I believe
2:01:23
Unseen Warfare is not, but I believe Reader John is. Yep. Uh, yeah. So, hope that helps. Joseph
2:01:31
Patton. I think they were they were referring to your Senate. Huh? I think they were referring to the
2:01:37
Senate. Oh, well, no, we're not. I can just say we're not. But I like to point out that when you're talking about individuals,
2:01:43
we are all in communion with our bishops. Hey Dan, seems like you need to break your chains to antichrist
2:01:48
behavior. Yeah, Holyfield Metropolitan Filerat's father was part of the MP. Yes, and he
2:01:54
didn't last long. Um, Sam England says, "What do you think of the new bishop of the Church of England, a woman who
2:02:00
sanctioned the graffiti in the church?" That's not really a bishop. Have a look if you haven't seen it. I
2:02:06
don't know. I don't know if I want to see it, but yeah, we don't recognize uh we don't recognize bishop presses. Um,
2:02:12
so no. Um, let me see here. in between names says uh St. John Max is
2:02:19
famous for apologizing to every conselant for being part of the MP for the few months he was. Yes. Ryan Maya
2:02:25
says, "Do you uh view Romans 4:8 as talking about David as the blessed man?"
2:02:32
Um, okay. I'm going to have to look at Romans 4:8 to see what we're referring to.
2:02:41
Blessed is the man in whose sin the Lord will never in Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will never impute. And that's
2:02:48
actually that's that's just a quote from Psalm 32:2. Uh if I remember, blessed is the one
2:02:55
whose sin shall never uh the Lord will never count against them. And uh yeah,
2:03:01
that's uh I'm pretty sure that's a that's from Psalm 32 or Psalm 30. Is it Psalm 3?
2:03:07
I got a small commentary here. It says um quote forgive cover not reckon all
2:03:13
amount to one in the same thing for three are given and received in the same way. Paul has three categories to cover
2:03:21
the different types of sinelcome. The first category is that of the wickedness of or ungodliness and the creator is not
2:03:27
acknowledged. The second category is that of the more serious sins and the third is that of the less serious ones.
2:03:34
All of these are wiped out in baptism. That's ambrosis. A ambroseter.
2:03:41
Oh, Ambrosiaster. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's on Well, yeah. So, it basically is just a reference back to
2:03:46
Psalm 32. Welcome, Father Bonafice. Benadish? Benedict.
2:03:52
Let me see here. Brother Augustine Lindorfer says, "Brother Augustine becoming true orthodox when?" Got to ask
2:03:57
him. Uh, the bankers were in Harry Potter, not Lord of the Rings. I don't remember bankers being in Lord of the
2:04:03
Rings, but I thought maybe I just book. Um, Dan uh Dan Fory says, "Go chain
2:04:10
yourself to St. Alexis to church to stop the demolition." Uh, yeah. I wouldn't
2:04:16
know. It's I'm sorry to We We did everything we could, man. So, don't blame us. Uh, Ephesians 6:12. Are you in
2:04:23
communion with the GOK? Don't know who you're talking to. Are you talking to someone in the chat? Are you talking to me? Cuz I already answered. Um, let's
2:04:30
see. So, so in the chat, yeah. Uh, Wils Bear, sign of the times, disheartening and dismaying. Very old.
2:04:37
Last of the last old-timers with ties to that part of northeast Pennsylvania. Yeah, I'm a newbie here, but I'm still
2:04:45
just uh, you know, I was horrified by learning this. Haunted. What a reference. Rya is righteousness imputed
2:04:52
to everyone as a free gift, or is Romans 4:8 being only implied to David's righteousness? Uh I think it I think it
2:05:00
implies by extension to the to uh everyone who receives it.
2:05:06
Um let me see here. Uh thank you for your answer. So to continue then wasn't a
2:05:13
vlog outside the church due to humanism? No he wasn't. Um
2:05:20
you know actually that was that led to some other stuff that happened. Uh no
2:05:28
Yeah, it's a complicated history, but I can tell you you're wrong there. Um, history is messy. Leas asks again,
2:05:34
"Wasn't St. Ferrett a member of the MP in China from 45 to 61?" I'm just going to have to look at the life and find out
2:05:40
for you. I'm not sure. Hold on.
2:05:45
Life of St. Louis. I don't think it was that. Why would he be in communion with them if they're trying to kill him? Yeah,
2:05:56
I have the history if you want me to go over it. Oh, that would be handy. Yeah, that
2:06:03
so he was one moment. Always trust the bug
2:06:12
to har you go by father or brother? I'm not sure how it is in the western right.
2:06:17
Well, he's right. I think he's brother, right? And brother. Okay. So,
2:06:24
let me see here. So, uh I'm looking at I'm looking up right now. Her brother is
2:06:29
actually looking it up right now. Um okay. Ephesians says, "Are you Father Joseph in your church in communion with
2:06:36
the GOCK?" And thrice I answer no. Um we
2:06:42
happen to we happen to not I happen to have a lot of friends in the GOK. Um,
2:06:49
and I happen to have a lot of respect for them. Uh, but I'm not going to pretend I'm in formal communion with
2:06:54
them. But if it makes you feel better that I'm not in formal communion with them and that makes you want to join
2:07:00
them, I highly recommend it. There's very friendly relations. You won't be in communion with me. Um,
2:07:07
so you'll be fine. There's very friendly relations from the bishop's down though, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, I've I actually know
2:07:14
Metropolitan Demetrius and I've known him for a long time. He's a great person. Uh, great bishop. Uh, in between names. Why don't you just
2:07:22
call in? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. Why don't you just call in there? Yeah.
2:07:27
And then reader John, where is your church at? Um, I forget where you are.
2:07:32
Na na business. Okay. Uh, let's see. Uh,
2:07:38
ascendancy says, "If it's okay, I have a question to father Bonafice. I heard you become true forthodox just about 5 years
2:07:45
ago. Unless I'm wrong, but you went through a few changes in faith before True Orthodox and then you became a
2:07:51
priest. Uh, how long did it take to become a priest and how did it happen?
2:07:56
I'm curious as I may potentially go towards the priesthood if I'm seen as a good candidate as I'm learning more
2:08:02
about our faith. Um before I mean you if you want to take the whole question father you can but I just want to add
2:08:09
the caveat that one thing that does make a difference when a person is often um
2:08:15
received more quickly is experience. Uh so if you have celebratory experience
2:08:21
that makes a difference with things. But uh yeah father Bonafice that's your question. So well I'll just add on to that. Oh I was
2:08:28
ordained a Presbyterian minister in 1988. Um but I was a bivocational kind
2:08:34
of a working guy. I've been doing my ministry, but then I came into the um went through the Anglican church and
2:08:41
then um came into the Old Catholic Church and I was ordained into the Old
2:08:48
Catholic Church and I was serving with the Old Catholic Church for nine years
2:08:54
and then um and so then I switched over to the uh uh another branch of the World
2:09:01
Orthodox Christian Church for a year or so or two and and then I uh so then when
2:09:07
I talked with um Vladika John over the phone uh for about a year um he found
2:09:15
enough in me to give me the invitation and um and but I want to tell you
2:09:21
something I applied myself uh quite quite with a lot of work to learn as
2:09:28
much as I could whether I I learned the um well I learned the Latin ass
2:09:35
basically on my own. You know, I had a little bit of coaching but not a whole lot. But I I you know, in other words, I
2:09:40
took a lot of initiative to learn as much as I could. And so, uh so, you
2:09:46
know, if that's a little bit of an answer, yeah, like uh Father Joseph said, I've had a lot of experience in
2:09:52
the ministry and in the liturgy. And then when I talk with Latika John, he just And then you I'll say another thing
2:09:59
too as far as the uh true orthodoxy. Well, oddly enough, when I was ordained
2:10:05
into Presbyterian ministry, I was ordained under Carl McIntyre. And if
2:10:10
that's a that's a voice from the past, but Carl was the one of the most notable
2:10:16
Protestant ministers of the 50s and 60s and going back to the 30s and 40s and
2:10:22
50s and 60s. He was a prominent conservative uh Presbyterian and he was exposing the
2:10:30
attacks by the communists actually even in the Orthodox church. He was against the world council of churches. He was
2:10:37
exposing their liberalism. He was exposing the liberalism of the Presbyterian churches. So in a lot of
2:10:43
ways I was being prepared for true Orthodoxy because when I heard about true Orthodoxy I just said I get it. I
2:10:51
get it because I've been dealing with this stuff in the Protestant world for many years and it's just changing the
2:10:58
the garments and just to plug in the other values and it was I was totally
2:11:05
familiar just had to learn more of the uh the vocabulary. So if that if that's
2:11:11
an answer um you know it's what I can say for the moment. If you have any more
2:11:16
questions let me know. All right, great. Thank you. Uh, let me continue here.
2:11:22
I got that history by the way, father, if you want me to cover it. It's short. Huh? The the history.
2:11:29
Yeah. For St. Ferret. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. It's a short quote. It's from
2:11:35
Father Sarapo. He says, quote, "The same is true of of Metropolitan Filerette and Archbishop
2:11:40
John Maximovich in China. It is formally correct that for several days in 1945
2:11:47
after receiving false information that Metropolitan Anastasia had died, the Senate was dissolved. The church
2:11:53
situation in Russia changed completely as a result of the war and the patriarch was elected legally. They did
2:12:00
commemorate patriarch Alexi. But when the connection with Metropol and Anastasia was soon reestablished and the
2:12:06
truth became known that both became such coni convinced enemies of Moscow so at
2:12:12
odds with Moscow that Moscow still to this to this day remembers Archbishop
2:12:17
John as the head of the schism in China. Um and then there's this last part. It
2:12:23
says the declaration of the parishioners of St. John's Maximovich dated May 9th 1963. It reads, "Bishop John never
2:12:30
obeyed the patriarch of Moscow. He did not enter any relations with the Moscow patriarch and never had any connections
2:12:36
with it." Okay. Well, I think that settles that. So, I hope that answers the question
2:12:42
there for Leonitus. Uh, Ephesians 6:12 says, "Why are you not in communion with them and your sin if your sinner and
2:12:49
theirs have the same faith?" Uh as I've often said many times on this show and I will answer very simply
2:12:56
I refer that question to our sister senate in Avlona Greece which has
2:13:01
representation through archbish here in America. Um if you stud the history of the genuine
2:13:08
orthodox you would already know that answer that is very complicated. Yeah but uh I feel like they just want
2:13:15ii
to
ask the question. Um, a sentency is from some clergy in Roka and
Senate of BSVR. I hope that that helped answer the
By
contrast the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece under Archbishop
Kallinikos (GOC-K) had no trouble at all in registering parishes in
Indonesia and, as the Orthodox Church of Indonesia as that title had
not been previously taken.
Finally, on a personal note, I would add that when I was quite new to True Orthodoxy in the 1990s, and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR) took the attitude that it was fine for people to go to any other Orthodox Church provided that you didn´t take communion there. I went with my (now ex-)wife, a Bulgarian New Calendarist, a number of times to their Embassy Chapel in London. However, when I stated one Sunday morning that I would be visiting the ROCOR monastery that day in Brookwood, Surrey, leaving her a note asking her if she could come, she attacked me with an iron bar, forcing me to call the police. The New Calendarists have always tended to be violent towards us True Orthodox. By contrast, we have always resisted non-violently, as we would just like to have a regular peaceful life, something they seem determined to stop us from having, along with their allies and toadies, including toadie judges.
Yours sincerely
Adrian Whyatt, RejoinEU Party, Iberia co-ordinator. In a personal capacity.
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